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Between Two Chains Ep 2: How is Interoperability Solved? w/Jill Gunter (Espresso)

39m | Jul 8, 2025

Last week we spoke with Aditi and Nitya from Para about interoperability from the user's lens, and this week, in our second episode of Between Two Chains, we speak with Jill Gunter from Espresso about interoperability from the other lens: builders.

Jill dives deep into the intricate dynamics of composability and interoperability, how infra builders need to emphasize user experience to move forward, and the state of Ethereum, the ecosystem's incentives, and the importance of staying user-centric while building decentralized applications.

TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro

08:30 The importance of composability

18:19 Composability in infra

21:17 The developer vs user communication gap

32:51 The importance of interoperability

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