- Creating Mass Adoption w/Luca Netz
On this episode of Rehashed, we sit down with Luca Netz, CEO of Pudgy Penguins, to talk about what it actually takes to bring crypto to the mainstream, build a brand that lasts, and avoid one of the biggest mistakes founders make when growing a project.
Luca acquired Pudgy Penguins in April 2022 for 750 ETH, roughly $2.5 million at the time, after the collection originally launched on Ethereum in July 2021.
Since then, Pudgy Penguins has become one of the few NFT brands to break meaningfully into mainstream culture. Its toys and plushies have reached Walmart shelves across the US, introducing the brand to an audience far beyond crypto.
Luca also shares updates on what the team is building next, including Overpass and Pudgy World, and explains how he thinks about licensing, community, culture, and turning an NFT project into a long-term consumer brand.
Whether you hold a Pudgy Penguin, build in crypto, or are simply interested in how web3 brands can reach mainstream audiences, this conversation is packed with practical insight from one of the space’s most successful operators.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
2:55 Why did Luca bid on Pudgy Penguins for $2.5M?
5:26 Necessary ingredients for success
12:19 Growing an existing community vs building a new community
17:38 How to maintain culture through a bull run
23:57 Why toys?
26:54 Are toys crypto native?
31:11 Luca’s advice for NFT projects
35:43 Updates on Overpass and Pudgy World
39:02 How to license your Pudgy Penguins NFT
43:05 Pudgy Penguins rapid fire
43:27 Luca’s top 5 NFT projects to keep an eye on
44:58 How Luca crypto pills his offchain friends
46:06 Follow Luca
47m - Aug 15, 2025 - Between Two Chains Ep 4: The Role of Bridges in Interoperability (Angus Lamps)
In our final episode of Between Two Chains, we're speaking with Angus Lamps from Stargate Finance about interoperability across numerous blockchains and the technology behind bridges and its value for decentralized finance (DeFi).
Angus emphasizes the importance of a seamless user experience in DeFi, highlights the challenges developers face, and emphasizes the need for intellectual honesty in the industry.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
18:09 Stablecoins and bridging challenges
26:40 User experience in DeFi
30:38 Interoperability and user trust
34:06 Ensuring secure transactions
37:02 The need for intellectual honesty
40m - Jul 23, 2025 - Between Two Chains Ep 3: Future of Blockchain Interoperability with Zero Knowledge (Reka, RISC Zero)
In our third episode of Between Two Chains, we speak with Reka from RISC Zero about zero-knowledge (ZK) proofs and their application in blockchain interoperability.
Reka explains the benefits of verifiable compute and how it relates to ZK, how ZK can enhance the connectivity between over 350 blockchains, and potential future developments once interoperability is fully solved.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
05:27 Scaling with zero knowledge (ZK) technology
11:39 Boundless and the ZKVM
16:29 Unlocking computational potential for UX
19:30 Building for consumers and developers
22:00 Onboarding new users to crypto
27:59 Exciting apps to look forward to
30m - Jul 15, 2025 - Between Two Chains Ep 2: How is Interoperability Solved? w/Jill Gunter (Espresso)
Last week we spoke with Aditi and Nitya from Para about interoperability from the user's lens, and this week, in our second episode of Between Two Chains, we speak with Jill Gunter from Espresso about interoperability from the other lens: builders.
Jill dives deep into the intricate dynamics of composability and interoperability, how infra builders need to emphasize user experience to move forward, and the state of Ethereum, the ecosystem's incentives, and the importance of staying user-centric while building decentralized applications.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
08:30 The importance of composability
18:19 Composability in infra
21:17 The developer vs user communication gap
32:51 The importance of interoperability
39m - Jul 8, 2025 - Between Two Chains Ep 1: Improving Blockchain Interoperability for Users w/Nitya & Aditi (Para)
In our first episode of Between Two Chains, we bring on Nitya and Aditi from Para (previously Capsule) to talk about the current state of wallet UX and how interoperability can create better overall experiences for users of onchain apps.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
3:44 What does interoperability mean?
12:25 Improving the onchain onboarding experience
19:04 Privacy and identity in interoperability
25:02 Tradeoffs to better UX
35:26 What's next once interoperability is solved?
43m - Jul 1, 2025 - Between Two Chains Ep 1: Improving Blockchain Interoperability for Users w/Nitya & Aditi (Para)
In our first episode of Between Two Chains, we bring on Nitya and Aditi from Para (previously Capsule) to talk about the current state of wallet UX and how interoperability can create better overall experiences for users of onchain apps.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
3:44 What does interoperability mean?
12:25 Improving the onchain onboarding experience
19:04 Privacy and identity in interoperability
25:02 Tradeoffs to better UX
35:26 What's next once interoperability is solved?
43m - Jul 1, 2025 - TRAILER: Introducing Between Two Chains
We're back with a brand new miniseries where we dive into all things blockchain interoperability.
Join Diana Chen, host of Rehashed, LDF from LayerZero, and some old and new faces from Espresso, Para, Stargate, and RISC Zero in this four-part miniseries starting Tuesday, July 1.
4m - Jun 27, 2025 - S3 E9 | Insights on the Future of DeSci w/Tarun Chitra (Gauntlet)
In this episode, we're speaking with Tarun Chitra, CEO of Gauntlet, partner at Robot Ventures, and co-host of The Chopping Block, about his thoughts, criticisms, and predictions on the intersection of science, finance, and decentralization.
We start by talking about the historical funding models of scientific research, the shortcomings of traditional science funding, and the rise of decentralized science (DeSci).
Tarun then shares some of his critiques of the current state of DeSci, highlighting its misaligned incentives and financialization within the broader crypto space. He also shares his thoughts on the potential role of AI in the development of DeSci and crypto.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
02:19 Evolution of science funding
11:37 Funding models in DeSci
23:55 Reputation and credibility in science
31:29 Nonfinancialized mechanism design
40:58 The future of AI and crypto
46m - May 1, 2025 - MINIHASH 009 | Resisting State Capture w/Spencer Graham (Hats)
In this episode, we're bringing back Spencer Graham, co-founder of Hats Protocol, for a minihash episode to revisit the anticapture frame he wrote about three years ago in the context of today's political climate.
Spencer shares insights on the dangers of centralized execution power, the challenge of tribalism, and the importance of decentralized systems. He also discusses past failures in DAOs due to capture issues, stressing the need for continuous learning and innovation within the Ethereum ecosystem.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
01:09 Recapping the anticapture framework
08:39 Applying anticapture to current events
16:39 Applying anticapture to DAOs
21m - Apr 24, 2025 - S3 E8 | The Evolution of DAOs and AI w/Nick Naraghi (Hats Protocol)
In this episode, we're bringing back Nick Naraghi (nintynick), co-founder and CEO of Hats Protocol, to discuss the evolution of DAOs and AI since his last appearance in October 2022.
We talk about how AI can impact DAOs beyond cost reduction and what a future where everyone has their own AI agent would look like.
Nick also shares insights on the development of Hats Protocol, the launch of Hats Pro, and discusses philosophical questions from the community on the human to AI relationship.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
01:52 Reflections on past predictions
04:23 How AI lowers coordination costs
06:37 AI agents and organizational dynamics
11:21 The future of work and AI
15:17 Economic evolution and UBI
18:22 AI coordination tools in DAOs
29:06 Hats Protocol updates
39:41 AI x crypto
44:47 Questions from the community
52:53 Nick's personal life philosophies
58m - Apr 17, 2025 - MINIHASH 008 | The Future of AI, Blockchain, and Financial Systems w/Alexis (Safe)
In this episode, Alexis, Global Partnerships Manager at Safe, joins us to discuss the intersection of AI with financial systems, particularly in the decentralized finance (DeFi) landscape.
We talk about recent trends, applications, and potential future developments in AI-driven finance, including AI agents for financial advising, governance in DAOs, and innovative use cases in prediction markets. Alexis provides insights on Safe's role in facilitating these advancements, offering a detailed look at the modular and flexible SafeCore framework.
Finally, we chat about the potential of AI to democratize financial knowledge and the evolving dynamics of AI-agent interactions in both centralized and decentralized platforms.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
01:11 Alexis' background
01:54 Current landscape of DeFAI (DeFi x AI)
03:14 AI agents and Safe
09:04 Ethical considerations of AI agents
13:15 Future of DeFAI
17:36 Innovative applications of AI
22:59 AI's impact on global financial literacy
28m - Apr 10, 2025 - [LIVE FROM DENVER] Rehashed Hot Ones Schelling Point w/Kevin Owocki, Disruption Joe, Sophia Dew, and Rena O'Brien
This episode was recorded live at Schelling Point during Eth Denver 2025.
In our fourth Rehashed Hot Ones show, competitors Kevin Owocki, Disruption Joe, Sophia Dew, and Rena O'Brien battle it out for who has the spiciest takes on DAO governance, web3 funding, and the potential for AI to address challenges in crypto.
Along the way, they brave increasingly spicy hot sauces, and audience members participate with their own hot takes as well while also engaging in the interactive spice challenge on stage. Finally, votes are tallied live on JokeRace and a winner is crowned.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
01:57 Panelist introductions
03:10 Rules and voting
04:28 Round 1: Does DAO Governance Work?
18:13 Round 2: Best Way to Fund Web3 Projects
27:43 Round 3: Can AI Fix Crypto?
37:35 Winner announced
42m - Apr 3, 2025 - [LIVE FROM DENVER] Rehashed Hot Ones Schelling Point w/Kevin Owocki, Disruption Joe, Sophia Dew, and Rena O'Brien
This episode was recorded live at Schelling Point during Eth Denver 2025.
In our fourth Rehashed Hot Ones show, competitors Kevin Owocki, Disruption Joe, Sophia Dew, and Rena O'Brien battle it out for who has the spiciest takes on DAO governance, web3 funding, and the potential for AI to address challenges in crypto.
Along the way, they brave increasingly spicy hot sauces, and audience members participate with their own hot takes as well while also engaging in the interactive spice challenge on stage. Finally, votes are tallied live on JokeRace and a winner is crowned.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
01:57 Panelist introductions
03:10 Rules and voting
04:28 Round 1: Does DAO Governance Work?
18:13 Round 2: Best Way to Fund Web3 Projects
27:43 Round 3: Can AI Fix Crypto?
37:35 Winner announced
42m - Apr 3, 2025 - S3 BONUS | Crypto The Game Season 3 Recap w/Dylan Abruscato & Players
In this special bonus episode, we're recapping Season 3 of Crypto The Game (CTG) with founder, Dylan Abruscato, and several key players: Akhil (runner-up), Bhaumik (3rd place), Jake & Hanna, 0xdesigner, Bert the dog, and King Wilbert aka netdragon0x.
We talk about the game mechanics, players strategies, late-game upsets, controversies surrounding anonymous players, and the eventual revelation of the mysterious King Wilbert.
We wrap up with some confessions, hot takes, and a teaser for potential changes and challenges in future seasons.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
03:27 Twitter connections and anonymity
06:02 The closest finale in CTG history
08:05 BTS game mechanics
21:01 Future of CTG
26:41 Q&A with Dylan
34:03 Player intros
34:41 Introducing Bert, the first dog to play CTG
37:09 Runner-up Akhil's strategy
40:13 Bhaumik's strategy
41:42 0xdesigner's blue tribe experience
50:13 Bert's unique experience as a dog
55:29 Jake (and Hanna's) strategy
59:33 King Wilbert's philosophy
01:18:59 Confessions and hot takes
01:32:29 Final thoughts
1h 34m - Mar 27, 2025 - S3 E7 | The Future of AI and Blockchain Gaming w/Marguerite deCourcelle (Blockade Labs)
In this episode, we're speaking with Marguerite deCourcelle aka Coin Artist from Blockade Labs about the intersection and future of AI and blockchain gaming.
We talk about the potential impacts of AI agents on onchain games, the innovative projects coming out of the AI space, and the future of gaming. Marguerite also shares insights into her work with Skybox AI and the practical applications of virtual environments.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
02:07 Marguerite's background as an artist
04:07 The intersection of art and crypto
09:45 Evolution of NFTs and AI in gaming
17:15 Skybox AI and the future of virtual environments
31:43 Innovations in AI x gaming
35:40 Interactive storytelling and AI
42:58 The role of AI agents in DAOs
46:29 Future of onchain gaming
50:51 Financial incentives of onchain games
1h 2m - Mar 13, 2025 - S3 E6 | Exclusive Insights and Strategies for Crypto The Game S3 w/Dylan Abruscato
In this episode, we're speaking with Dylan Abruscato, founder of Crypto The Game (CTG), who is back for his fourth appearance on Rehashed.
Dylan shares some exclusive alpha about the new season of CTG, a 10-day online survivor-style game with 800 players and a prize pool of 80 ETH, starting on March 10, 2025.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
00:21 Overview of Crypto The Game (CTG)
00:48 Exclusive teasers for CTG Season 3
12:23 NFT mechanics and player strategies
15:01 Gameplay insights
27:18 Dylan's winning strategies
32:52 Future plans for CTG
36:31 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
37m - Mar 6, 2025 - S3 E5 | Reimagining Web3 Grant Mechanisms w/Carl Cervone (Open Source Observer)
In this episode, we're speaking with Carl Cervone, co-founder of Kariba Labs, about Open Source Observer, a free analytics suite aiding funders in evaluating the impact of open source software contributions.
Carl shares insights from his decade-long experience in East Africa and discusses the significance of crypto in developing regions.
We then dive into public goods funding, data integration, governance strategies, and the human psychology aspects of voting. Carl shares his perspectives on the challenges of traditional and Web3 public goods funding, highlighting the roles of data metrics and qualitative and quantitative measurements in impactful funding decisions.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
05:20 Leapfrogging technology in East Africa
09:03 The role of data in public goods funding
12:49 Challenges and innovations in grant funding
26:02 Human psychology in voting and governance
35:08 Open vs. closed voting systems
38:25 Future of public goods
44:23 Questions from Twitter
50m - Feb 27, 2025 - S3 E4 | Building on Bitcoin w/Brittany Laughlin (Stacks Foundation)
In this episode, we're speaking with Brittany Laughlin, Chairperson at Stacks Foundation, about the evolving landscape of building on Bitcoin.
Brittany covers the history and feasibility of developing on Bitcoin, the current state of the Bitcoin developer ecosystem, and the gaps that need to be filled.
She also shares insights from her extensive background as an investor and discusses her role at Autonomous, a company that assists Web3 foundations and DAOs.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
02:17 Bitcoin ecosystem insights
05:11 Brittany's background
09:26 Challenges and opportunities to building on Bitcoin
21:20 Bitcoin vs. Ethereum
29:23 Bitcoin-backed stablecoins
30:25 Onboarding challenges
37:37 Future predictions for Bitcoin development
39:07 What is Autonomous?
41:25 How to launch a token
44:19 How to launch an effective grants program
47:51 Questions from Twitter
53m - Feb 20, 2025 - S3 E3 | Understanding Zero Knowledge Infrastructure w/Reka (RISC Zero)
In this episode, we're bringing back Reka, Head of Community at RISC Zero, to talk about the state of zero-knowledge (ZK) infrastructure and strategies for successful go-to-market campaigns for blockchain protocols.
Reka shares her journey from being a founder to joining RISC Zero, her insights on the importance of ZK technology, and the challenges and opportunities it presents. She also talks about her experience advising various crypto projects and her thoughts on combining education and community engagement in the blockchain space.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
01:49 Updates from Reka's previous Rehashed appearance
02:58 Why intent infrastructure?
06:17 Understanding ZK technology
13:44 Applications and benefits of ZK
18:21 Challenges and future of ZK
23:24 Joining RISC Zero and building Boundless Protocol
29:07 Education through memes
30:13 Marketing strategies for protocols
34:17 Balancing developer adoption and end user growth
37:13 Strategies for building a community from scratch
44:27 Questions from the community
52m - Feb 13, 2025 - S3 E2 | Decentralized Email Protocols w/Richie Bonilla (Forage Mail)
In this episode, we bring back Richie Bonilla, founder of Forage Mail, to talk about email as the original decentralized social protocol, why decentralized and open protocols may not always win in the long run, and how AI and Large Language Models (LLMs) will impact the future of work.
Richie talks about his journey from building Clarity to creating Forage Mail, handling pivots as a founder, and the philosophical implications of AI on human agency.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
03:08 Richie's founder journey
10:55 Stepping away from crypto
18:36 Why email has stood the test of time
28:24 Pivoting Forage to Forage Mail
30:56 How Forage Mail uses AI
36:33 Using AI in personal life
40:29 Future of AI and human interaction
48:12 Forage Mail's roadmap and vision
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