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745. How to Stop Perfectionism From Secretly Destroying Your Happiness

42m | Oct 13, 2026

Are you waiting until you achieve your goals to finally feel worthy, or are you stuck on the endless treadmill of perfectionism? In this episode of Be It Till You See It, host Lesley Logan sits down with high-performance coach Brad Bizjack to unpack the game-changing Be-Do-Have mindset model. Brad reveals why burnout is a signal of misalignment, why self-sabotage is a myth, and how daily self-celebration helps you stop caring what others think. It's a practical reset for anyone chasing achievement but running low on fulfillment.


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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Tracing perfectionist identity back to the love you craved most.
  • Why self-sabotage is physically impossible for your survival brain.
  • How the be-do-have model starts with who you're being.
  • What burnout really signals about your hours out of alignment.
  • The reason your success scales with the problems you handle.
  • Ditching the to-do list to chase daily results instead.


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Brad Bizjack is a personal development expert and a master mindset strategist. As a multi-7-figure CEO of a transformative coaching business, Brad boasts over a decade of experience in igniting human potential. His mission is clear and compelling: to awaken individuals to their boundless possibilities and empower them to create the extraordinary success and freedom they truly deserve. Having touched the lives of over 60,000 individuals across more than 40 countries, Brad is renowned for his ability to shatter mediocrity and inspire profound, lasting change. He excels in uncovering and dismantling the limiting beliefs and toxic thought patterns that lurk in the shadows of the mind, unlocking the doors to unprecedented achievement and fulfillment. Beyond his professional accolades, Brad is a devoted husband to his college sweetheart, Janiece, and a father to their 4 year old daughter Lily and dog Oliver. Together, they cherish their moments of joy and adventure, often found enjoying days on the lake, creating precious memories as a family.

 

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Bizjack 0:00  

Burnout is actually one of the most beautiful things that can ever happen in your life because your soul is finally getting involved. That is what burnout means. It has nothing to do with the amount of hours worked. It has to do with the amount of hours spent out of alignment.


Lesley Logan 0:14  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


Lesley Logan 0:56  

Be It, babe, Brad's back. Brad Bizjack is back. My Brad does show up in the thing, but it's Brad Bizjack's show, and he is a force. He's here to help you with all those things you've been stuck on, the things that we've known but we didn't have the knowing. And I'm so excited because I'm jazzed. The episode just ended. I'm jazzed, and I feel so good about life and what I'm doing, and I want that for you. So you have to keep listening to this show. And then there's an action step for you to take that's going to blow your mind. And if you like that one, then, and you like the show, then there's another one.


Lesley Logan 1:31  

So I'll just say, Brad's going to have an amazing event next week that's free, and I'm going to be at it because I go every year because it really challenges me to be the person that I want to be, and so we'll have a link for you to sign up and join, and let me know when you do. And I hope this episode will change your life. I think it will, and I hope you send it to a friend who needs to hear it. All right, here's Brad Bizjack. 


Lesley Logan 1:52  

All right, Be It, babe. This is going to be fun because it was fun the last time, and it's a great conversation. But I know it's going to be life changing. At the very least, it's going to have you stop in your tracks and go, "Oh, wait a second! I've been doing this maybe a little bit not in the service of myself and my best interest." Brad Bizjack is back. Brad, can you remind everyone who you are and why you rock so much?


Brad Bizjack 2:12  

Yeah, I'm super pumped to be back. First of all, thanks so much for having me. I'm excited to add some value to your amazing listeners. I am a personal development expert, certified high-performance coach. I really help people shift the limiting beliefs, toxic thought patterns, limiting emotional habits that go on in the blind spots of your mind. And how do we break through those and reach the next level of success and, more importantly, fulfillment in our lives? And so that's the two-minute SparkNotes. I can get into the story and all that stuff if you want me to, but that's just a little bit of backstory of what I do.


Lesley Logan 2:44  

I know because, well, you do it so well, first of all, and I mean, there's so many people who claim to do these things, but you actually do do these things. The Instagram people claim that their services can help, but sometimes I find that there's another thing that people can collect. I'm a Pilates instructor who teaches Pilates instructors, as we know. And sometimes you're just collecting exercises. You don't need to collect more exercises. You need to do the ones you have. But what sets you apart? I guess. I mean, that's a big question. But you can brag about yourself a little bit.


Brad Bizjack 3:14  

I mean, there's a lot of really beautiful things that we've been able to do and serve people with. We obviously we've trained over 80,000 people all over the world, and how to shift their psychology. But one of the things that I think really separates us from everyone that claims to be a mindset coach on the internet, and there, like you said, there are a lot of them. And then there's people that haven't really gone through life, and they claim to be a life coach, right? And it's just really interesting to see how that works. But one of the things that really helps our students and everyone that we serve on podcasts and things like that is that we take these ethereal concepts. Let's use the example of a belief, and we actually make it tactical on how you can actually shift them, how you can actually remove some of these blocks in your subconscious mind. Because a lot of times when people are talking about this stuff on the interwebs, it's just, you gotta believe in yourself, woohoo! And then someone's sitting there going, "No shit, but how do I do that?" And we actually show you how to actually do that. I think that's one of the things that makes us really stand out.


Lesley Logan 4:15  

I agree. I couldn't agree more. And I, it's true. I interviewed someone, and she's, "Well, you have it already. You're born with all these things. You just need to not care so much about people thinking." I'm like, okay, but how do I do that? Because how do I? It's like, well, you're just gonna stop caring because I was just okay. I love your confidence in this, but I am, as someone who's quite confident and has done a lot of work on themselves, I have listeners who I'm gonna need more, ma'am.


Brad Bizjack 4:42  

Do you want me to actually answer that question?


Lesley Logan 4:44  

Yeah, yeah.


Lesley Logan 4:44  

Like, how do you actually get yourself to stop caring what other people think? So, if that's ever bothered you, and I think a lot of times people are in this space. Yeah, of course, I need to stop caring what people think. Most people don't recognize that every single thing that we do has a reason. There's a subconscious reason behind everything, and a couple of those reasons. There's six, but a couple of them are certainty and significance, right? We need to feel certain. We need to know that we're going to be able to avoid pain and gain pleasure. We need significance. We need to feel important, like we matter. And so, whenever we're thinking about what are other people thinking of us, what's actually being asked is, "Is this enough? Am I worthy in the eyes of others?" Which tells me that there is a strong craving of significance, and that I will feel worthy if I achieve X, Y, Z. If other people think of me in a certain way, the thing about significance is that there's unlimited ways to meet that need. One of which can be getting approval from others. That's a disempowering way to meet the need for significance. But there's so many more empowering ways, and one of the greatest ways is self-celebration. And most people don't recognize this: that when you celebrate yourself, what you're actually doing is you're changing your own perception of your worth. And there's this. Everyone knows that you have unlimited worth, right? Everyone knows that logically, but our perception of that truth is often limited. And so, if we can see that the perception of worth is what we need to change, well, there's a step to change that. Worth equals love over time, particularly the love you give yourself actively, like the act of love towards yourself, and the greatest act of love towards yourself in the day-to-day is that self-celebration. And I particularly have people celebrate three things: one is what actions you took today; number two is how you added value to the world; and number three is who you are as a person. I'm a great mom. I'm a great dad. I'm a great partner. Whatever it is. What you're doing then is you're priming your subconscious to have a bias towards action and contribution and seeing how great you are. You do that each day. Your perception of worth increases. When your perception of worth increases, you are no longer in this state of craving perfection. Perfection is the fear that I'm not enough, and it needs to be perfect in order to feel that way. So if we increase our perception of worth, the tendency to go into perfection dissipates. Then we don't really care what other people think. And so that's an example of taking a high-level ethereal concept and breaking it down into a tactical, what do you actually do to change it.


Lesley Logan 7:18  

Oh my god, I love these questions way more than the gratitude stuff everyone suggests to do. Not that you should be grateful. I think that's really great. But my husband did a gratitude journal, and he made himself a bet that he had to do the gratitude journal every day, or you'd have to do, he'd have to go run with me. And it's not the with me part, it's the run part. But anyways, he was doing it, and at some point he was, you know, this is really. I find myself repeating some of these gratitudes because it's not like life is so different Monday to Friday all the time that there's something new. And but I like these because it really forces you to see you are doing things each day, and you might not think that they're as big a deal as they are, but they really impact people. You know, I will say I started volunteering for the dog shelter here for the SPCA, and I love them because they don't have any requirements of how many hours I have to be there. So my perfectionism can't achieve anything. I can't. I just go when I want to go. So it's a whole on me thing, and I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes I just go for 15 minutes. I feel so. I feel like I'm the greatest person in the world.


Brad Bizjack 8:25  

I love that.


Lesley Logan 8:27  

I don't know. I guess I don't have to do much more self-celebration. I could probably do some other things. Okay, for people to do this, you know, for them to actually, I love the idea of, like, the perfectionism dissipates because we. That's why a lot of the people who listen to this podcast are recovering perfectionists, right? So they're trying to do these things. When you identify as a perfectionist, because that's how you've received love and admiration and the significance, it becomes a new identity that you have to come into. You know what I mean? You have to be, you're somebody else now. You know, you can't rely on, well, I'm a, you know, I grew up going, I'm a perfectionist. That's why I do it like that. Or I'm, you, you make that part of your story. So it becomes something you have to change. I thought, how do people do that?


Brad Bizjack 9:09  

You're asking great questions, by the way. So you mentioned it became part of your identity, and that is very true for a lot of people. And what most people don't understand is that the strongest force in the human personality is the need to stay consistent with who you already think you are, right? So if you label yourself as a perfectionist and life has taught you that you are, that's going to be your biggest obstacle to break. Now there's a step-by-step process on how you actually shift that. Number one is identifying something worth changing for, right? And then we can go deep into that if we want to. Number two is where did that belief form, right? Because you were born in this world a perfectionist. You just, you didn't decide that at a particular age. You never signed a contract, but there was a belief that came into your world, and somehow you adopted, and that might have been through an extreme. That might have been through consistent results, but typically, if we go back and we take a look at whose love did you crave the most as a child, not whose love did you get, whose love did you crave, mom or dad or grandma or grandpa, whoever raised you, and you ask yourself the question, "Who did I need to be to receive that love, and who could I never be to receive that love?" You will oftentimes find, unless you had a very empowering childhood, you will oftentimes find the greatest limiting belief of your life, and that's where a lot of that perfectionism comes from. That opens up the conversation of heal all of those pieces of the past, which can be uncomfortable to look at, but there's ways to do it that are not painful, and then reframe. Right? So if we take a look at healing a relationship. What do I mean by healing a relationship? I had a really challenging childhood, and I had a lot of blame and resentment for that growing up. A lot of anger, even borderline hatred for it for a long time. And it was like there was this hook in me that I couldn't get out of me. Until I recognized that there are three sides to every story, and that's an interesting thing. Most people say there's two sides. There's three sides, right? So number one is my perspective of what happened, right? And so there's all the things that happened, what shouldn't be done, all the things that should never be said to kids, all that, right? Then there's the compassionate side of the story. Well, let's put myself in that person's shoes, right? Well, in my case, this person was adopted when they were born. They were given away. They were bullied all growing up. They were the black sheep of their family. They were in a very toxic relationship. They were not mentally equipped to raise children in any way. So anybody in that situation would act. It doesn't excuse it, but it helps us understand anybody in that situation would act that way. So I can have compassion for the way that this person acted when I was a kid. But then there's a third side of every story, and this goes back to my fundamental belief that life is happening for you and not to you, and we elevate to whatever you believe in, God, the universe, source, infinite intelligence, whatever you believe in, that if life is really happening for me and not to me, there is some gift in this pain, and life's lessons get louder and louder and louder until you pay attention, and most people don't pay attention, right? They start really quiet, but then they get louder, and they think that life shouldn't be going how it is. Well, life should be going exactly how it is. You're just thinking it shouldn't, so you're not seeing the gift that is hidden in your pain. This gift is wrapped in pain, so that you pay attention. Because if it was pleasurable, you wouldn't pay attention to it at all, right? So, if we elevate to that perspective, well, let me take a look at this. If I'm looking at it from the universe's perspective, right? If this person never treated me that way, I would not have the empathy I have today.


Brad Bizjack 12:53  

If this person didn't treat me that way, I wouldn't be the dad I am or the spouse I am. I wouldn't be able to have the ability to see patterns going on in people's minds and help them break through it, and so holy cow, the worst days of my life were actually the best days of my life in disguise. That pain gave me the gift to do what I do now, and so if we take a look at most people's most proud qualities, most of them came from contrast of what they didn't want, and so then there's a whole other, so that's what the reframe is, and then there's the gratitude, then there's the thank you, then there's the I'm so grateful that I experience this, which comes after the forgiveness piece, after the reframing piece. But all of that, when it's done step by step, you can start to let go of this identity of I'm a perfectionist because if people don't, what they don't recognize, and this is kind of a perfection is just a way of being, right? And that's what your podcast is really about, who you're being. What most people do is they try to change this just through behavior and action, and so they'll start taking action to shift something in their life, do something different, but it never really lasts. And the reason is because perfectionism is embedded into their psychology. So then they stop at some point two weeks later and they label it as self-sabotage.


Lesley Logan 14:10  

Yeah.


Brad Bizjack 14:10  

But I have a very controversial opinion on self-sabotage. I believe that self-sabotage is physically impossible, and the reason why I believe that is because your brain is a survival mechanism. Its job is to protect you from threats and pain. And so, why would the world's greatest survival mechanism intentionally destroy the very host it's designed to protect? It wouldn't.


Lesley Logan 14:35  

No.


Brad Bizjack 14:35  

Right. So anyway.


Lesley Logan 14:37  

We would call that a disease. We would say that the brain is diseased. That's right, when that, yeah, exactly.


Brad Bizjack 14:41  

Right, so people label it as self-sabotage when really all that's going on is who you're being, the perfectionist in this example, just has not been changed or dealt with, and most people go about this backwards. So there's the what we want to create, but then there's the how do we change who we're actually being in the subconscious. And we can go any direction you want to go with that.


Lesley Logan 15:01  

Yeah, yeah. No, I do want to go. I want to keep following this train of thought because I do think you're correct. So I call it Be It Till You See It because it's instead of waiting until this time, then I will, right? So when I have this money, then I will become a kinder person. Or when I have this, then I will prioritize myself. And it's actually you'll just have those things and you'll still be you, right? That's my thing because you didn't actually practice it, you didn't find five minutes for yourself, and so I think that if you're going towards something that you want to change, but you're bringing the person that you, the perfectionist that you were, towards it, it's never going to be perfect. So you're going to stop halfway through, and then you call it your failure. It's a failure thing or it's a sabotage thing. So I actually really like going down this train because I do think it can be helpful for the person who's been listening for a long time and they're still not getting to the see it part. 


Brad Bizjack 15:47  

Yeah.There's a model that I love to teach, and I didn't create this. It's just something I learned years ago that really helps people from a high-level perspective see how they're trying to change their life. It's called the be-do-have model, and I can go as deep as you want into it. But the whole idea of this is that most people are going about changing their life completely backwards, right? And I've noticed this. I've had the privilege now of working with over 80,000 people, and I've seen patterns. I could be completely blind at this point, with what I'm recognizing in people, and I could still recognize this. This is completely obvious, and I would see that I would say that 90%, if I were to ballpark it, 90% of people operate from, and I recognize three paradigms, but 90% of people operate from the first one, which is what I call the have-do-be psychology. This is where most people live, and you'll kind of recognize yourself here because I'll explain some of the symptoms of this in just a moment. But most people will believe once I have more money, or more time, or more spousal support, or more freedom, or whatever, then I'll take courageous action on whatever my dreams are, right? And once I take that courageous action, then I will have my goals. Then I'll be successful. I'll be happy. I'll be fulfilled. I'll be whatever it is. So have, do, be. Once I have more money, then I'll hire a coach so I can be successful. Right? And what people that live in this place tend to do is they tend to tiptoe around their dreams, so they'll just do the things that are safe enough to try, but not really go all in. This is the person that is addicted to insights, and so they just study all day long, but never really take any action. And they could tell people all day long how to change their life or how to do something, but they're not doing it themselves. They're the person that consistently says, "I know I need to," and they're not doing it. By the way, anyone that's actually doing something doesn't say, "I know I need to," right? Because they're doing it. They don't. And this person is so caught up in being perfect that they will either not start because they don't know exactly how it's going to go. They'll either, like I said, tiptoe around the edge of a dream, or nothing they do will ever feel like enough. So they'll eventually get burnt out or stressed out, and then they don't continue anyways. And so this, I label this paradigm of the world the worried perfectionist because that's just what consumes their life. This person is obsessed with certainty and safety and wanting to know they're gonna be okay, and they think that life needs to change first before they change, but that's not how life works because all of life is cause and effect. And most people will obsess over the effect, and the effect is what's in the bank, how the business is going, how the family is doing, what your health, right? That's the effect. The cause is who you're being. Most people aren't seeing that, and if you forget about the effect, or if you forget about the cause, which is who you're being, then you can no longer influence the effect, which is what you have. And so most people become trapped here, and they just wait for life to change, complaining about their life. But you only complain about things that you could change, but you're too afraid to. And so this is where 90% of the world lives is in this place of worried perfectionism because they're operating from a have-do-be psychology. But then there is this small segment of the world, I would argue 8, 9% of the world, that operates from a little bit of a different paradigm. There's, it's still not incredibly empowering. They're just starting to actually get some results, but they're not fulfilled. And this is, and you'll know that you're this person if you're always going and can never stop because you're afraid it's all going to fall apart. This is you if you feel like everything's held together by a tiny little thread.


Brad Bizjack 19:35  

This is you if you become addicted to action and you can't sit and take in a sunset. This person operates from a do-have-be psychology. This is where I need to be doing all the time. I can never slow down, and if I do enough, then I'll have a goal, right? I might have the great business, whatever it is, and if I have the goal, that's what qualifies me to be worthy. That's what qualifies me to let go of perfectionism, that's what qualifies me to be enough, right?


Lesley Logan 20:03  

I'm smiling because I feel like people who are listening to the have, you know, have-be-do, which the one that's (inaudible), they were, oh I'm not that one, but they're probably this one because, right? The doer, the doer, and it's gonna come, and then they burn out. .


Brad Bizjack 20:19  

Yeah. Exactly. That's one of the symptoms, is you're totally burnt out. And people will say all the time, "I'm burnt out. I've spent so much time on work. I am so burnt out." But burnout is actually one of the most beautiful things that can ever happen in your life because your soul is finally getting involved. That is what burnout means. It has nothing to do with the amount of hours worked. It has to do with the amount of hours spent out of alignment, that's what burnout is.


Lesley Logan 20:44  

Oh my god! Everyone, rewind and listen to that one more time. That was so good. That's so true. I can think back to two burnouts and go, "Oh yeah, no. Every time I get there, I am out of alignment." Thank God I know it now, but you can spot it now. So, okay, yeah, I'm in.


Brad Bizjack 21:00  

It prevents it from happening, right? Whenever you're in that state, all it means is you're not listening to what your heart really needs, and you're just depending on an old paradigm of life that has been limiting you. This person will push emotion down because they just don't have time for that. They're always so stressed out, so they don't feel or experience fulfillment. They think fulfillment is at the end instead of now, instead of the fuel. And this person is incredibly addicted to achievement because they think achievement makes them feel like they're enough. But what happens with this person is they bounce from goal to goal, peak to peak, to-do list to to-do list, and nothing ever feels like enough. It's like their worth is a moving target, like they're chasing a ghost. And so, this person just feels like nothing, the way that I can best describe it is this person is consistently wondering, subconsciously, "What's going to be enough?" And that just operates their psychology. The reason why is because they're not doing it in a way that's actually going to lead to a fulfilling life. Because if you have achievement but you don't have fulfillment, that's not success. That is failure. Achievement without fulfillment is one of the greatest failures in life. And I say that with so much respect for everybody listening, because I was there. I lived that way. So what we need to do is take a look at these first two paradigms: have-do-be and do-have-be. You'll notice that the "be" is at the end, right? And the "be," by the way, is the sum total of our thoughts, our emotions, our beliefs, our values, and our identities, how we view our model of the world.


Lesley Logan 22:41  

Yeah.


Brad Bizjack 22:41  

That is the "be" and if the perspective is the "be" is at the end, we're going to have a very hard go at life. You'll notice that the most successful people that are actually successful in all terms of the word, I mean financially, emotionally, spiritually, physically, people that are truly crushing it at life and are genuinely happy, they flip the entire paradigm. They operate from a be-do-have psychology. The "be" is the beginning, and they reverse engineer. They say, "Okay, well, what do I want to have? What's the effect? What's the outcome I'm after?" "I want to have these things", whatever these things are. It could be a seven-figure business. It could be this level of health. It could be whatever, right? "I want to have that." Okay, if I already had that, what would I be doing already?


Lesley Logan 23:29  

Yeah.


Brad Bizjack 23:29  

Because chances are, the doing at that level is very different from the doing at the current level.


Lesley Logan 23:33  

Yes, it is.


Brad Bizjack 23:35  

And the challenge with that is that those actions require courage because they're different from what you're currently doing. So then the question becomes, "Who do I need to be now so that those actions become automatic?" That means what do my thoughts need to be? What emotional state do I need to live in consistently? What beliefs do I need to have about my identity and my life in general, about success, about money, about people? What do I need to value? Not just in terms of family or whatever. I mean, in terms of what emotion am I driving towards in life? And when we can rewire that so that to where the operating system of your mind, the "be"is set up for success, then "do" becomes automatic. You don't have to do any internal marketing anymore. You're just doing the actions, and then the "have" is the natural byproduct.


Lesley Logan 24:27  

Yeah.


Brad Bizjack 24:27  

And that's where a very small portion of the world lives, and that's why a very small portion of the world is successful and deeply fulfilled.


Lesley Logan 24:33  

Yeah, I remember years, this has been probably in 2015. No, no, yeah, about that. Anyways, I remember going, "God, I can't wait. I wish I just knew how to run a company, because then I could just handle the problems I have. But I don't know how to run a company." And there was this part of my brain that said, "Well, what if you had to know how to run a company? What would you be doing if you knew what you were doing?" I was walking down the street and I thought, "Oh, people who run things, they have people on the team who know how to do the thing. I don't know how to do accounting, so I just started going, "Okay, what experts can I bring in? Oh, I don't have the money for that, so, what expert is making a podcast on that right now because I can listen to that." And so I just started using this free time as, "Okay, if I am a CEO, what am I doing?" It changed my whole schedule. It changed how I approached things, and then I started to realize, "Oh, I reverse engineer a lot of things. This is just, that's what it is." As a kid, you guys, I would only play a maze from the finish line back. I only would do the maze backwards, and I would always win. My friends took me to a cornfield to do one of those mazes, and I was not having it. There was no way to do the reverse. But it's funny when you do it like that. One, I'm sure people go, "Oh, wow, that makes so much sense." But it is not the easiest thing to do because it requires you to be, at the beginning of this podcast, you can't be at the identity that you are now, right?


Brad Bizjack 25:56  

That's right. Yeah. You can't be at the identity level that you are now. Saying, you need to be someone different sounds really cute on Instagram, right? But, and I could do that approach that you talked about earlier, "Well, you just got to believe it." But that does nothing, right? It does nothing. There is a strategy and a step-by-step process of how we actually shift this. And if I can give anyone here one kind of, yeah, call it a nugget, that will put their current situation, put a little bit more ease in your current situation to allow for more mental bandwidth and energy to solve this problem, it's the idea that your success is directly proportional to the amount and quality of problems that you're willing to handle. And so the situation you're in now, if you feel capped in some way in any area of life, it's because of your perception of the problem you're in. Your perception of the problem is likely limiting you, because here's the thing about success: the more successful you become, I promise you, the more problems you're going to have. It is. I promise you.


Lesley Logan 27:06  

I can guarantee it.


Brad Bizjack 27:09  

Because in order to become successful, you have to get really good at solving problems. And then the very act of solving a problem creates another one. So the more successful you become, you're just really good at creating problems. And so, if your relationship with what I'm facing in my life right now is "hard" just making that up as an example, well, then you're limited in the amount and quality of problems that you have because your relationship with your existing problem is, "This shouldn't be the case." Yet life is always happening for you and not to you. It's trying to teach you something. If this problem becomes a gift that you get to grow from, or something that's meant to help you evolve into the next level of you, it doesn't solve, let's say, the bank issues or the fitness issues or whatever. It doesn't solve the 3D issue, but it opens up emotional energy for you to solve it. Because you're no longer giving your personal power away to a problem. If you give all of your personal power, meaning your feelings of, your ability to handle life, if you give your personal power away to your existing circumstances, and say that needs to change before I feel better, then you have no personal power left to do anything about your circumstances. And so most people just give their power away all day long.


Lesley Logan 28:21  

Yeah.


Brad Bizjack 28:21  

But if we can see that these problems are meant to be there to help us grow, because life is rigged in our favor, then we won't give as much power away. And if we don't give as much power away, we have more space to actually say, "Well, then who do I need to be, and how do I change these beliefs?" Instead of just saying, "Yeah, let's be positive and live in toxic positivity and just believe in yourself." That doesn't work.


Lesley Logan 28:42  

No, no. I'm so glad you said that, because I think toxic positivity is one of the worst things that someone could actually fall into. It's so terrible. So, in our communities, we have a channel that's "I Need a Moment." So you can vent, you can bitch, you can whatever you want. It's so great, but you must, before you leave the community, go to the wins channel and leave a win. Now, it doesn't have to be that, "I'm so glad this thing has happened to me," because it doesn't have to be that. It can be something completely different. But the idea that you can find that there is something going on for you, there's some sort of self-celebration that you can do amongst the muck, is really, really helpful, right? I think it's really helpful. And on the podcast on Fridays, I have a Fuck Yeah Friday episode where I'm allowed to vent about something, and then I self-celebrate. And then they, oh, my husband Brad is here. Let there be light. If you're watching in YouTube, it just got brighter, and now you can see how sweaty I am. That's a whole other story, guys. Then the listener can have a win because when they hear their win, it's often weeks or months after they submitted it, and they can be reminded of it. But we have to notice that there is something good. And I had this woman who studied happiness, and she was talking about living in a world where, in third-world countries, people barely have a bicycle, and yet they're smiling, right? They're smiling. So your happiness isn't coming from all these things that you have. It's back to your point, the amount of problems you can handle. Happiness is actually, you know, the people who are happy are actually dealing with problems, but they are recognizing that there's other good stuff coming from that, right? Because they can see good when it's good, and then they have this problem they deal with, but they still see joy in life because they're not so in the place of, "I should have it differently."


Brad Bizjack 30:24  

Yeah, you said the word "should" a second ago, and a lot of people just should all over themselves all the time. "And I should have this. It should be different." And you mentioned happiness and the people in these third-world countries. If I could make up a reason why they're so happy, it's because they have the least amount of expectations. The happiest people in life have the least amount of expectations of how it should be, and they're more grateful for how it is. Doesn't mean that you don't have aspirations to change or grow. It just means that there's not this expectation that it should be different. It's beautiful as is, and I'm excited for what else I build. So, I've just noticed that as a direct correlation in people that are the happiest. They just, there's a lot less "shoulds" in their life.


Lesley Logan 31:08  

Yeah.


Brad Bizjack 31:08  

And if people listening here can just adopt that and say, "What do I believe should be different? And maybe if I trade those expectations for appreciations, I'd have a different life." Something to noodle on.


Lesley Logan 31:21  

You're so good. There's 17 liners. I wanted to say 17 times, "Rewind. Go back to that one." That's so good. Say it again. I was re-listening to when you were on last year, and I was just, "Yeah. Oh my God. Yes. Okay." And, "Oh, I've done that." That is no longer a thing that I have to remind myself about. So I just, I'm obsessed with how you help people, because that's what you really do. You know, I was so excited to have you. I feel like this has to be an annual experience for all of us, because each thing that you say is not a light switch. Okay, now I've written that down, noted, I got it. Because you have to put that into the system that you have, the day that you have, the life you have, the people in your life that you have, and then try to integrate it. Try to take the next step. So you're gonna, it feels like two steps forward, one step back. But each year that I know you and I listen to these amazing things that you say: "Oh, that is easier." "Oh, I've just moved up on that one." "Oh, now, oh, I forgot to do that. I missed that one."


Brad Bizjack 32:17  

I love that.


Lesley Logan 32:19  

Okay, so I mean, my goodness, you have so many wonderful things for us to help us be-do-have, and also, really, I love the beginning of this talk of removing the perfectionism from our lives so we can have more fulfillment, but more and more life to live. What are you super excited about right now? Because I know you're always doing something magical and amazing.


Brad Bizjack 32:38  

This is my favorite time of year. It's like Christmas. I know it's October, but it's Christmas.


Lesley Logan 32:44  

I love October, so I'm in.


Brad Bizjack 32:47  

You know, I noticed a problem, and here's an example: life gives you challenges, and you have to figure out how to solve them. The problem was, I'd be on podcasts and shows, and I would do speaking gigs and all this stuff, and people would listen to these words, right? And they would be so inspired by the depth of it and how I can make this kind of tactical and try to make it real. And then people did nothing with it. And I was, "What the heck?" If I'm going to make an impact, we actually have to make this real. And I realized in those moments there's a very big difference between knowledge and knowing, right? Knowledge is the conceptual understanding of something. Knowing is, "I'm living this." And so I thought to myself, "What do I do to make this real for people and actually give them an experience so that these inspirational concepts aren't just something you hear on a podcast one day, but actually become part of you?" And so I decided to put together a five-day challenge, and I do it every year in October. It is my favorite time of year. We have thousands of people from all over the world that come together to take these concepts and actually make them applicable and real to your life, custom to what you have going on, your specific goals. Because my goals are different from your goals, and who am I to tell you what to want? You want what you want. Well, let's break down all of the garbage getting in the way of getting there. And so we go through a five-day process of identifying: What am I really after in life, and what is the "be" that I'm living through now in the be-do-have, so the identity, the beliefs, the values, the emotional patterns, the thought patterns, and is that in alignment with what I really want to have? Most people don't recognize that the way that you're operating has to be in energetic coherence with what you want. You've heard, "Your vibe attracts your tribe," right? Like attracts like. So if you're in a low energy and your goals are beautiful, you're not going to create them because you're in a low energy. You're just going to attract more of what you don't want. So we need to see the gap between where we are in terms of being and what we really want in our life. That's Day One. And then the rest of the week, we go to town on how do we break down all the things that are limiting us? How do we maximize the things that are empowering us? And how do we close the gap from where we are to where we want to be? And how do we live in a state of fulfillment now while striving for so much more? So it's a beautiful process. It's helped over 80,000 people from all over the world, and it starts next week. And I'm super excited about it.


Lesley Logan 35:21  

I’m excited because I feel like you always pick the perfect week for me because I'm always back and I'm coming off Cambodian time, so I'm up early. And I'm up early anyways, but I'm very much up. And I take you on my dog walk. You’re,I really do. I take you on the dog walk and I just walk, and it's just the best way to start my day. Obviously, different time zones might be a different time, but it's wonderful. And I do love that you do this because you're right. These words are wonderful, and if somebody writes them down and hits repeat on this show, it's so good. But you do kind of need a container sometimes to practice, and then being a container with other people who are also doing it at the same time because the vibe attracts your tribe. But you're with all these people, so it makes it easier to show up and take in all these tips that you've been saying, but actually put them into practice, which is so beautiful. So I'm excited for it. Brad and I will obviously be in attendance because there's just something about it that makes me go, "Oh yeah, okay, that's good. I'm doing that well." You know, like a little affirmation that I might have forgotten to give myself. So I am so grateful for you for doing that for all these people because they need it. So what an impact you're making!


Brad Bizjack 36:23  

Well, thank you so much, my friend. Really appreciate it. Oh, and it's free, by the way.


Lesley Logan 36:26  

That's right. It is free. So you have kind of no excuse.


Brad Bizjack 36:30  

Don't treat it like it's free, though. Treat it like you invested 10 grand into it because it's such a powerful experience.


Lesley Logan 36:37  

And also, there are replays, so you guys can schedule them in if you can't come live. You can schedule in the replays. It's really wonderful, and the community aspect of it will get you out of your head if you get stuck. So I think it's so wonderful. Okay, you have given us the world of wonderful tips, but you know the podcast does end with bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?


Brad Bizjack 37:00  

Oh man, there's so many. 


Lesley Logan 37:03  

I know. You can pull from any.


Brad Bizjack 37:07  

So say it again. 


Lesley Logan 37:07  

Bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted steps. So you can pick one of them, or some people go crazy and do all of them. But you've already got one, so you go take it away.


Brad Bizjack 37:18  

This is going to ruffle some feathers, especially for the achievers in the room, but stop making to-do lists. I'll explain why, and I'll be quick about it. I promise. When most people have them, they're so good at making to-do lists, but they have their dream at the same level of importance as laundry. And I promise you, when you run out of underwear, you're going to wash your clothes. You're going to.


Lesley Logan 37:44  

As an ADHD person living with an ADHD person, you do. You will wash your clothes. It will happen. It'll get hung up. Everything will happen.


Brad Bizjack 37:51  

It'll figure itself out. But most people don't recognize that this is actually limiting their productivity because, if we take a look, most people have had those days where they complete everything on their list and they still feel empty. And then they've had those days where they do next to nothing on their list, but they still feel fulfilled. And the reason why is because when you checked all the boxes, you were focused on what was urgent and demanded. When you felt fulfilled, you were focused on what was important. And so most people obsess over completing a to-do list. I never, ever follow a to-do list. What I ask myself is, "What result do I want today?" Not, "What do I need to do today?" What result do I want today? For example, if I have an objective of, let's say, signing three new clients, if that is a goal today, that is a very different emotional, energetic, and physical experience than, "I just really want to get a couple of social media posts up and film a podcast." Everything becomes targeted. So once I know what I'm after and why I'm after it, then I can reverse engineer a list strategically from that outcome. What are the most important items that will yield that result? And typically, the one at the top of the list is the one you've been procrastinating on the most. And if you do that one thing, and only that thing, first, you will have more success in a week than you did all of last year. And so this is how successful people seem like they're operating on a completely different wavelength. It's because they are. Instead of, "What do I need to do today?" "What result do I want today?" And reverse engineer from that.


Lesley Logan 39:20  

Oh my God! No one has ever said to ditch the to-do list. This is the.


Brad Bizjack 39:23  

Let's go.


Lesley Logan 39:24  

It just took 800 episodes to get the best tip. Oh my God, Brad, I adore you. Someday we must meet in person. I must go on the lake with you and your family and my Brad. It'll just be wonderful. We've got to get our tour to come through there. But you are just so great. I can't wait to spend all next week with you and all these listeners. You're going to join in. It's going to change your life. And also, here's another reason why I like you do it in October. I just want to shout out the timing of it. I think when people ask, "Oh, what are you doing for next year?" I have already planned next year before Q4. Just so you know, so I like having the last two months of the year to kind of wrap up things, tie off loose ends, so that I can make next year be the be-do-have that I want. I can get rid of the stuff that's in the way. You know, you can already be prepared for what you want. Not that I'm a "new year, new me" kind of girly. That's not what I'm saying, for some people, there is a way that the seasons work. You are going into wrapping things up already. The October of having, "This is the result I want to have. How am I going to do that?" You can really use the end of the year to reverse engineer. That's my excitement.


Brad Bizjack 40:30  

I love that. Never thought of that. 


Lesley Logan 40:31  

I'm sure you didn't but I think of that


Brad Bizjack 40:34  

You know, it's a lot of times I also notice going into October, November. I notice sometimes there's an energy dip in society as pumpkin spice comes out, the energy about dreams goes down. Yeah, and this injects a serum into your mind that makes you just incredibly excited about possibility the rest of the year. 


Lesley Logan 40:54  

Yeah, it's really brilliant. It's really, really brilliant. And for me, Q4 is just an insane time of my life. This one is even crazier. And so, going with all your tips going in, it just changes how I show up in that busyness, because otherwise it's just a busy body versus having being the person I want to be in that time. So I can appreciate it, so I can enjoy it. So it's not just a to-do list. Anyways, Brad, you're amazing. Thank you so much for being here. You guys, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Make sure you sign up. We'll have the link for you, and let me know that you did so I can celebrate with you next week. All right, sir, take care of you and my loves, Go Be It Till You See It.


Lesley Logan 41:33  

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Brad Crowell 42:15  

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Lesley Logan 42:20  

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Brad Crowell 42:25  

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Lesley Logan 42:32  

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Brad Crowell 42:35  

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