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How Great Leaders Master the Inner Game and Outer Game, with Jamie Ramsden and Dr. Suzie Burke

Season 12 | Episode 142
56m | Aug 4, 2026

Even Einstein doubted himself. Meryl Streep still waits for the other shoe to drop. Dr. Mira sits down with executive advisors Dr. Suzy Burke and Jamie Ramsden to explore what they call the inner game and outer game of leadership. 

Suzy explains why self-doubt is actually an evolutionary response, not a personal flaw, and walks through a simple three-step process for catching negative self-talk before it derails a decision. Jamie brings in the outer game, the part of leadership that is about reading your team, your context, and the moment in front of you. 

Together they explain why a leader's inner dialogue becomes the whole team's emotional weather, how sense-making should take up more of a leader's day than most people realize, and why saying no might be the most underused leadership skill there is. If you have ever felt like a fraud in a room you worked hard to get into, or wondered why your inner work isn’t landing, this conversation will change how you think about that feeling.

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