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ICE Locks Up Jewish Israeli For Israel Protest W/ Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro, Eric Lee + Daniel Bessner

1h 59m | Oct 8, 2026

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Katie talks to Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro and lawyer Eric Lee about Lee's client Yehonatan Ovadia, a Jewish Israeli who has been in ICE detention since August for protesting Israel. He now faces deportation. 

Then Katie talks to historian Daniel Bessner about the state of the world, the end of history and his new book "Imperialist Realism: Politics and Culture At The End The American Century."


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Yaakov Shapiro is an international speaker, author, and pulpit rabbi for over 30 years, now emeritus. After graduating high school at age 16, Rabbi Shapiro dedicated himself to full-time study of religion. At age 19 he published his first book, משפטי הבירורים, a collection of original expositions on rabbinic principles of tort adjudication. He has written several other books including, most recently, The Empty Wagon: Zionism’s Journey from Identity Crisis to Identity Theft (2018), a 1381-page treatise on the differences between Judaism and Zionism. Rabbi Shapiro is a recipient of the Community Leadership Award from Agudath Israel of America; the Keser Torah Award from Yeshiva Torah Vodaath; Harbotzas Torah award from Yeshiva Bais Yisroel; Parent of the Year Award from Bnos Yisroel; and a post-rabbinical scholarship award from the Memorial Foundation for Jewish Culture. 

Eric Lee is an immigration lawyer and federal litigator who served as lead counsel in Dep't of State v. Muñoz & argued the case before the U.S. Supreme Court in April 2024. He's represented numerous students & visa holders facing discipline for pro-Palestinian & socialist speech. He is the Recipient of American Immigration Lawyers Association's 2024 Jack Wasserman Award for excellence in litigation. 

Daniel Bessner is the Pyle Associate professor in American Foreign Policy in the Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington. He is the writer of the Imperialist Realism substack and the cohost of the podcast American Prestige.



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