Hosts Andy Frazier and Mark Gainey have authentic conversations to equip and encourage you as you lead the local church.

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In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Mark and Andy are joined by Dr. Chris Crain, Executive Director of the Birmingham Metro Baptist Association, for a conversation about conflict in the church—especially during high-stress seasons like Christmas (recorded just before Christmas 2025). Chris explains common times when conflict is more likely to surface, including busy church-calendar seasons (Christmas/Easter), budget and stewardship campaigns, staffing changes, and when the pastor is away. The group discusses how even good seasons of activity can create a “vacuum” that leads to tension. Chris encourages leaders not to take conflict personally and to view non-essential differences as healthy tension rather than threats, noting how failure to do so can alienate people and even lead to a mass exodus. Chris shares how he prioritized clarifying mission and values at the association, including the mission statement: to encourage, equip, and engage biblically faithful churches in the Great Commission for God’s glory, and five core values: truth, in touch, on mission, on purpose, and for the church.

Season 8: Episode 169 - Chris Crain on Navigating Church Conflict & Staying on Mission

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In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, hosts Mark and Andy discuss the importance of slowing down in ministry. They emphasize the need for church leaders to reduce their hurried pace to foster deeper relationships and better spiritual health.Andy &amp; Mark share personal experiences, discuss the challenge of balancing tasks, and reflect on how Jesus&#39; unhurried life serves as a model. The episode highlights the benefits of slowing down, from avoiding burnout to enhancing the quality of ministry, and encourages leaders to evaluate and adjust their own pace accordingly.

Season 8: Episode 168 - Slowing Down: The Importance of Pace

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In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Mark and Andy welcome their good friend Dr. Robert Mullins. Robert, who serves as the Executive Director for the Madison Baptist Association, discusses his journey from local church pastor to leading an association of pastors. The conversation delves into the importance of intentionality, community, and disciple-making within pastoral leadership. Robert shares insights on how his role focuses on creating a supportive environment for pastors, addressing burnout, and fostering church health. The episode is a heartfelt dialogue that aims to encourage and equip church leaders in their ministries.You can find out more about Passion Tree Ministries at <a href="https://passiontree.org" rel="nofollow">https://passiontree.org</a>You can also get in touch with Robert by emailing him at <a href="mailto:robert@madisonbaptists.org" rel="nofollow">robert@madisonbaptists.org</a>

Season 8: Episode 167 - Robert Mullins on Encouraging & Equipping Pastors

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In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, hosts Mark Gainey and Andy Frazier welcome Jay Gordon, the Small Groups Pastor at Brook Hills. Jay shares invaluable insights on where he has seen God at work, and offers practical advice on fostering meaningful relationships and discipleship within small groups. Listen in as Jay discusses the challenges and shifts in small group dynamics post-COVID, the importance of relational and discussion-based group meetings, and strategies for utilizing digital tools in spiritual practices. Whether you&#39;re a seasoned leader or just starting, this episode is packed with essential tips to help you grow as a leader and disciple-maker.The blog article Jay references can be found here - <a href="https://www.brookhills.org/blog/reflect-christ-to-unbelieving-family-members-this-christmas" rel="nofollow">https://www.brookhills.org/blog/reflect-christ-to-unbelieving-family-members-this-christmas</a>Below are links to the apps Jay mentions during the podcast.<a href="https://youversion.com/" rel="nofollow">YouVersion Bible App</a><a href="https://www.prayermate.net/app" rel="nofollow">Prayer Mate App</a><a href="https://biblememory.com/?gad_campaignid=22969621107&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADHVasGV5o7cXQVygwIPNckRyD1XR&gclid=CjwKCAiAl-_JBhBjEiwAn3rN7R9G28BTztTnm6H6ZK_5Oo2eSjW3No0V-JikU2swNuyMVXJvVLok9RoCMKEQAvD_BwE" rel="nofollow">Bible Memory App</a>

Season 7: Episode 166 - Jay Gordon on Where God is Working & Small Group Lessons

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In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Andy &amp; Mark discuss the unique concept of developing and enlisting volunteer staff members within the church. They explore how to empower volunteers to assume key leadership roles without financial compensation. The discussion includes practical tips for identifying, recruiting, and developing these volunteers, while maintaining a healthy balance and ensuring they feel valued.

Season 7: Ep 165 - Utilizing Volunteer Staff in Your Church

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In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, hosts Mark Gainey and Andy Frazier discuss the importance of finding joy in ministry, regardless of the size or context of your church. They emphasize celebrating small wins and creating a culture of joy, which contributes to deeper learning and spiritual growth. This episode highlights how recognizing and appreciating small victories can lead to sustained encouragement and momentum within the church. They also reference the book &#39;The Other Half of Church&#39; to underscore the importance of cultivating joy and healthy relationships.

Season 7: Ep 164 - Finding Joy in Small Wins

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In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, hosts Mark Gainey and Andy Frazier discuss the common temptation church leaders face in finding their identity in their ministry successes and failures. They highlight the dangers of measuring worth and success through worldly metrics like attendance, buildings, and budgets, and urge leaders to root their identity in their relationship with Jesus Christ. The hosts share personal stories and stress the importance of faithfulness, self-care, soul care, and the support of a community. Tune in for practical advice on maintaining a healthy ministry mindset.

Season 7: Ep 163 - Finding Your True Identity in Ministry: Battling Temptations and Misconceptions

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On this episode Mark and Andy discuss the importance of relationships in ministry, highlighting the need for intentional and vulnerable…

On this episode Mark and Andy discuss the importance of relationships in ministry, highlighting the need for intentional and vulnerable&#8230;

On this episode Mark and Andy discuss the importance of relationships in ministry, highlighting the need for intentional and vulnerable…

Season 6: Ep 162 – Andy & Mark on Leaning Into Relationships

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In this episode, Mark and Andy discuss the importance of soul care in ministry, emphasizing that it’s not just about…

In this episode, Mark and Andy discuss the importance of soul care in ministry, emphasizing that it’s not just about&#8230;

In this episode, Mark and Andy discuss the importance of soul care in ministry, emphasizing that it’s not just about…

Season 6: Ep 161 – Mark & Andy Discuss Soul Care

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Hello again, CLP Family! Mark and Andy are excited to share with you a few helpful tips and tricks on…

Hello again, CLP Family! Mark and Andy are excited to share with you a few helpful tips and tricks on&#8230;

Hello again, CLP Family! Mark and Andy are excited to share with you a few helpful tips and tricks on…

Season 6: Ep 160 – Mark & Andy on Leading Church Staff Meetings

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Welcome back! We are so glad to be recording episodes again. Yes, we have been “on a break,” but we…

Welcome back! We are so glad to be recording episodes again. Yes, we have been “on a break,” but we&#8230;

Welcome back! We are so glad to be recording episodes again. Yes, we have been “on a break,” but we…

Season 5: Ep 159 – Andy & Mark, The Return

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Scott Sullivan, the Discipleship Catalyst for the Georgia Baptist Mission Board, shares some of the observations he’s made about top…

Scott Sullivan, the Discipleship Catalyst for the Georgia Baptist Mission Board, shares some of the observations he’s made about top&#8230;

Scott Sullivan, the Discipleship Catalyst for the Georgia Baptist Mission Board, shares some of the observations he’s made about top…

Season 5: Ep 158 – Scott Sullivan on Top Leaders & Their Curiosity & Willingness to Learn

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On this episode, Andy and Mark get very transparent and discuss how to handle disappointment and hurt in ministry. Oftentimes,…

On this episode, Andy and Mark get very transparent and discuss how to handle disappointment and hurt in ministry. Oftentimes,&#8230;

On this episode, Andy and Mark get very transparent and discuss how to handle disappointment and hurt in ministry. Oftentimes,…

Season 5: Ep 157 – Andy & Mark on Handling Disappointment & Hurt

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In this episode, Pastor and author, Craig Etheredge, joins Andy &amp; Mark to discuss how to move from hiring a…

In this episode, Pastor and author, Craig Etheredge, joins Andy &#38; Mark to discuss how to move from hiring a&#8230;

In this episode, Pastor and author, Craig Etheredge, joins Andy &amp; Mark to discuss how to move from hiring a…

Season 5: Ep 156 – Craig Etheredge on Moving From Superstar Ministry Leaders to Developing a Pipeline to Make Disciples

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In this episode, Mark &amp; Andy share an update on what’s been going on in their lives &amp; ministries and…

In this episode, Mark &#38; Andy share an update on what’s been going on in their lives &#38; ministries and&#8230;

In this episode, Mark &amp; Andy share an update on what’s been going on in their lives &amp; ministries and…

Season 5: Ep 155 – Andy & Mark Updates & What God is Teaching Them

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Andy &amp; Mark welcome back their great friend, Cody Hale, who is Pastor of Iron City Baptist Church in Anniston,…

Andy &#38; Mark welcome back their great friend, Cody Hale, who is Pastor of Iron City Baptist Church in Anniston,&#8230;

Andy &amp; Mark welcome back their great friend, Cody Hale, who is Pastor of Iron City Baptist Church in Anniston,…

Season 4: Ep 154 – Cody Hale on Creating & Sustaining Healthy Church Culture

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Join us as we discuss what God is doing on college campuses and how churches and followers of Christ can…

Join us as we discuss what God is doing on college campuses and how churches and followers of Christ can&#8230;

Join us as we discuss what God is doing on college campuses and how churches and followers of Christ can…

Season 4: Ep 153 – Matt Daniels on Reaching College Students & How To Impact the College Campus

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Season 4: Ep 152 – Robert Mullins on Encouragement, Sabbatical, & Finding Rest

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Season 4: Ep 151 – Andy & Mark on When Groups Turn Inward

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On today’s episode, Andy &amp; Mark celebrate the 150th episode by giving away a couple books! To enter, follow the…

On today’s episode, Andy &#38; Mark celebrate the 150th episode by giving away a couple books! To enter, follow the&#8230;

On today’s episode, Andy &amp; Mark celebrate the 150th episode by giving away a couple books! To enter, follow the…