Hi there! We are KayLee and Amanda—betrayal trauma therapists who have experienced relationship betrayal in real life.We’re guessing you’ve found us because you’re one of us.We hope you’ll join us as we talk about on all things betrayal, trauma, relationships, therapy, motherhood, and more.Prepare for deep stuff, real stuff, lots of tangents, and way too many giggles.Between the two of us, we have over 30 years of lived experience and over 20 years as specialized clinicians.Betrayal trauma is our lived experience. Betrayal trauma healing is our expertise.And while we bring both to the table, this podcast isn’t therapy—you are the expert of your own journey.

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Have you ever felt hopeful… and then five minutes later completely hopeless?If you’ve been healing from betrayal trauma for a while, but still feel that swing between “I’m okay” and “I’m not okay at all”—this episode will help you understand why.We’re talking about the real relationship between hope and hopelessness after betrayal—why it still feels unstable, why hope can actually feel unsafe, and how to begin shifting it in a way that supports real emotional healing.If you’re in that space where:<ul><li>you’ve done therapy or deep personal work</li><li>you understand what happened… but your emotions still swing</li><li>you’re wondering why healing doesn’t feel more “steady” yet</li></ul> This conversation will give you language for what’s happening in your nervous system, trauma recovery, and healing process.You’re not behind. You’re not doing it wrong. You’re in a phase of healing that isn’t talked about enough.This podcast is for educational purposes only and is not a replacement for medical care or psychotherapy.

Episode 1: When Hope Comes...and Goes

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Join KayLee and Amanda, betrayal trauma therapists, as they explore the complexities of empathy in relationships affected by betrayal. From navigating personal hurts to fostering understanding with partners, they discuss the power and challenges of empathy in healing. Gain insights into building empathy while maintaining boundaries and discover how it transforms relationships. Tune in for a candid discussion on empathy&#39;s role in overcoming betrayal and fostering connection. If you&#39;re looking for more support, we have a free Facebook group:Humans Navigating Betrayalhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/humansnavigatingbetrayal You can also follow us on social media:@heykayleedunn @amandachristensonmft Just a little reminder, although we are specialized betrayal trauma therapists, our podcast, support groups, and social media accounts are not a replacement for treatment by a medical professional. This content is created for educational and entertainment purposes only.

The Power of Empathy After Betrayal

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Listen in as KayLee and Amanda discuss what it is like to have betrayal trauma while helping others navigate betrayal trauma.It is so normal for other people&#39;s stories to be triggering for you. So. Normal. The key component is what we do with and how we respond to those triggers. If you&#39;re looking for more support, we have a free facebook group and live meetings: Humans Navigating Betrayalhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/1667836370046685You can also follow us on social media: IG: @being.scabs , @kayleec.dunn , @amandachristensonmftJust a little reminder, although we are specialized betrayal trauma therapists, our podcast, support groups, and social media are not therapy, nor are they a replacement for therapy.

Getting Triggered by Other's Stories

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Did you know your therapist is human?Well of course you KNOW they are. But do you believe they are? Like really believe it?When we are floundering in the sea of betrayal, it is so normal to proverbially yell out, &#34;Save me! Someone! Anyone!&#34;For some of us, we might completely discard all help. &#34;I can&#39;t trust anyone.&#34;For some, if we are desperate enough, when a therapist, or a coach, or an author presents us with a prescribed path - a fix-all - we might gladly take whatever we are handed.Then time passes.And some things helped, and other things didn&#39;t. And we might feel like we are doing something wrong, or that we just aren&#39;t &#34;fixable.&#34;In these moments, remember... your therapist/coach/educator/spiritual leader is a human. They make mistakes, and they don&#39;t have all of the answers for your unique path.AND that doesn&#39;t mean therapy/coaching/education/spiritual direction are useless. It means we need to be judicious and intentional as we select our specialized guides.Tune in for examples and stories to prove my point. FREE BETRAYAL TRAUMA SUPPORT GROUPFacebook- Awake: Resilience from Betrayal

Insights into a Therapist's Brain

Therapy Fails

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Thinking and talking about lust as a part of sexual betrayal can be sooo fuzzy.The struggle is real.If you&#39;ve ever done check-ins as a couple or tried to set boundaries around lust, then you know this is so confusing and nuanced!Our favorite thing to do is to ask a lot of hard questions and challenge one another on these complex issues.We want you to know that your fears, your hurts, and your frustrations are valid. One of the most exhausting heartaches can be that there are very few &#34;right&#34; answers for everyone.Our message is that although we are not here to hand you the &#34;right,&#34; one-size-fits-all answers, there are many right answers for you.Join us as we pick apart the definitions, the origins, the connotations, and some of our own experiences in relation to lust as a part of sexual betrayal. As you listen, notice what fits. What sits well? What doesn&#39;t? Remember, you are the expert of you.If you want to join in our discussions, we provide a private, free Facebook group called Awake: Resilience from Betrayal for people who have been betrayed. We also meet regularly LIVE on Zoom as a group (also free).https://www.facebook.com/groups/1667836370046685Just a little reminder, although we are specialized therapists, our podcast, support groups, and social media are not therapy, nor are they a replacement for therapy.

What the heck is lust anyway?

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This is us.As promised, here we are to introduce ourselves, our experiences, and wax philosophical about all the things betrayal trauma.

Not the Experts

Hi there! We are KayLee, Jeni, and Amanda, three Betrayal Trauma therapists who have experienced relationship betrayal in real life.  

We're guessing you've found us because you're one of us. We hope you'll join us as we shoot the breeze on all things betrayal, trauma, relationships, therapy, and more. Prepare for deep stuff, real stuff, lots of tangents, and way too many giggles.

Between the three of us we have over 40 years lived experience and over 30 years as specialized clinicians and coaches. Betrayal trauma is our lived experience. Betrayal trauma is our expertise. But, we are not the experts of your journey, you are.