Video Episode 5

A Queer Retrospective of Xena The Warrior Princess (& Gabrielle)

Ringing in September with the long awaited Xenasode! I'm joined by returning guest Best Issue Ever's Sara Century! 

This SUPERSIZED episode features discussion of:

• A brief history of lesbianism on television
• A queer history of 90s television 
• Birth of the slashfic
• Xena as a queer historical text
• Why Lucy Lawless & Renee O'Conner will always be gay famous
• Why Xena did it first
• Leather & Lesbians
• Butch queers exist
• WHOOSH
• Revengence
• Worst Ex Girlfriend
• Rural Queers
• Callisto, ally?
• Syndication, serialisation, long form storytelling, spin offs. 
• Sam Raimi
• R.J. Stewart
• Rob Tapert
• Liz Friedman
• Bruce Campbell!
• Karl Urban!
• Hercules The Legendary Journeys and Kevin Sorbo (flop)
• Elizabeth Taylor
• Lord of the Rings
• Wire-Fu
• Buffy the Vampire Slayer
• My Name is Earl (?)
• Context, subtext and subtext in context
• "Subtext" queers
• The glee effect 
• FRIENDS
• Embracing the 'problematic'
• Pacifism
• Sara and Khaliden's Top 4 'Xena the Warrior Princess' episodes for newcomers!

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+ Check out the official unofficial part 1of this crossover on Best Issue Ever where I talk to Sara about my favourite lesbian couple in comics 

Find Sara at www.saracentury.com and support Sara Century and Alex Segura's comic The Forgotten Five!

Original podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

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Video Production by Victor Alexander (@Ugly_knees on insta and @clevvergirl on Tiktok)

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Thank you Layla for the help with this edit!

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RE-RELEASE In honour of Antonia's new book examining the cultural impact of Beyonce!

Click here to order BEYONCÉ—ONE OF ONE History Lessons, Love Letters, and Affirmations from a Cultural Icon

Stream the video on Spotify or watch the full video episode on YOUTUBE

Beyonce’s Renaissance is over, now we’ve entered the Age of Enlightenment. Welcome to the rodeo? Yeehaw!

I’m joined by Antonia Jade King (poet, writer, and soon to be Dr. AJ writing her thesis about the cultural and historical significance of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air) after watching the Renaissance film for a discussion on Beyoncé and the cultural conversations we’ve been having about her ever since she burst on the scene in 1997.

AJ and I risk it all, come find out if we get cancelled by the Beyhive! 

+ Find out how we also fit the following in:

• Introducing my new silent cohost (her name is Alaska)
• Beyoncé Giselle Knowles Carter!
• The Renaissance film
• Texas? Hold 'em?
• Cowboy Carter?
• Marathons
• Rough swimming while Black
• The Color Purple
• Billionaires
• Black capitalism
• In praise of Black laziness
• Pinkwashing
• Revolutionaries vs revolutionary narratives
• Black womanhood in the context of queerness
• The myth of Black excellence 
• Justice for Ayo! Remember when Jennifer Lopez sang the ’n’ word?
• What we can expect from idols
• Remember bell hooks’ beef with Beyonce?

If you like homework, or looking for a recommendation list you can find the 'Citation Page' for this episode on my website, available from the first Sunday after the episode is up! ! https://www.alsopurple.com/citation-corner

You'll find all the books, shows and pods referenced in this conversation.

Find AJ @AntoniaJadeKing on all the socials!

Keep up to date by following @AlsoPurp on all socials.

Music by PamperedFists & Anzahlung.

Podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

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30 min Preview! Tune in for the full Part 1 of our Xena (& Gabrielle) The Warrior Princess deep dive later this week!

A Queer Retrospective of Xena The Warrior Princess (& Gabrielle)

Ringing in September with the long awaited Xenasode! I'm joined by returning guest Best Issue Ever's Sara Century!

This 30(ish) min preview includes discussion of:

• A brief history of television lesbians
• Rural Queers and television
• A queer history of 90s television 
• Syndication, serialisation, long form storytelling, spin offs.
• Kevin Sorbo keeps flopping
• Hagspolitation -evil nanny
• Elizabeth Taylor
• Lord of the Rings
• Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Xena comparison
• Context v subtext or Subtext in context
• The glee effect 
• FRIENDS
• the 'problematic'

+ Check out the official unofficial part 1of this crossover on Best Issue Ever where I talk to Sara about my favourite lesbian couple in comics

Check out Sara Century and Alex Segura's The Forgotten Five!

Original podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

Follow Khaliden @alsopurp everywhere

Subscribe to Best Issue Ever everywhere you get your pods!

Follow @saracentury on instagram!

Video Production by Victor Alexander (@Ugly_knees on insta and @clevvergirl on Tiktok)

Subscribe to our Youtube Page!

https://youtube.com/@referentialpod

More at www.alsopurple.com

Thank you Layla for the help with this edit!

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The X-Men '97 Sessions with "ASH &"s Ashley Alleyne is back!

Ash and I break down the fifth episode of the new season of X-Men '97 and are joined on the third chair by Michael aka BlackGayComicGeek

Featuring discussion of the episode :

"Weapon X, Lies and DVDs"

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Original podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

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NEXT UP: X-Men '97 Sessions S2 E6 with Ash Alleyne (& Connor Goldsmith) [+] Xena (& Gabrielle) The Warrior Princess (with Sara Century)

[Apologies for the delay, dealing with computer issues and a bout of depression. stay tuned this week while we play catch up on the feeds!)

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The X-Men '97 Sessions with "ASH &"s Ashley Alleyne is back!

Ash and I break down the fourth episode of the new season of X-Men '97 and are joined on the third chair by the One True Kayla (Rayless & Reluctant)

Featuring discussion of the episode :

"Rise of Apocalypse (Pt. 2)"

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• take me to the king
• SLAVERY
• Ash’s editing takeover
• Oh brother this guy STINKS
• remember when Bishop lost the baby?
• WHERE IS STORM

Head to ASH & to listen to our conversation on episode 5!

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This episode was produced by Ash Alleyne!

Original podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

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Video Production by Victor Alexander (@Ugly_knees on insta and @clevvergirl on Tiktok)

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NEXT UP: X-Men '97 Sessions S2 E6 with Ash Alleyne (with Connor Goldsmith) [+] Xena (& Gabrielle) The Warrior Princess (with Sara Century)

[Apologies for the delay, dealing with computer issues and a bout of depression. stay tuned this week while we play catch up on the feeds!)

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Dropcall #13

• Oh Mary 
• Spiderman- Brand New Grey
• A new Black Panther
• No More Wonder Man 
• No More Blade
• Ash has a theory (it's wrong.)
• Venom (why) 
• Carnage (enough)
• Absolute DC 
• Vixen by Stephanie Williams
• Static by Cody Ziglar
• Vibeshifting Gotham 
• Zatanna v Scarlet Witch
• Relitigating the X-Office post From the Ashes
• Marvel’s Midnight 
• The Marvel vs DC wars
• Absolute Batman 
• Absolute Wonder Woman 
• Absolute Martian Manhunter 
• koolaidiceman
• Ghost Rider
• Avengers Doomsday cometh 
• Dc so white 
• Avatar the Last Airbender (the movie)
• Korra the previous bender (the discourse)
• Seven heavens and the current bender (the animation)
• Invincible 
• Children of Blood and Bone 
• Children of Yellow and Bone 
• Steve Lacy

Let us know if you'd like more of these!

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Original podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

Find Ash @Ashandpod everywhere!

Video Production by Victor Alexander (@Ugly_knees on insta and @clevvergirl on Tiktok)

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The X-Men '97 Sessions with "ASH &"s Ashley Alleyne is back!

Ash and I break down the first three episodes of the new season of X-Men '97 and are joined on the third chair by 1/2 of the Hivemind Jackson Lanzing (Eisner nominated writer for Star Trek, Kang the Conquerer, Guardians of the Galaxy, Outsiders and NYX)!

Featuring discussion of the episodes :

"Days of Past Future"

"A Force to Be Reckoned With"

"Rise of Apocalypse (Pt. 1)"

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• "Daniel."
• SOLAR FLARE
• Jubilee does something (!)
• Age of Apocalypse and boy comics
• Feet(s)
• Colonialism
• X-Factor = X-Force = X-Men (?)
• Warren Worthington was right
• "Papa?"
• Apocalypse v En Sabah Nur
• Cable as a recession indicator
• Kid Cable
• The White Queen at G.A.Y.
• Val Cooper back at it again
• Kang the Conquerer
• The return of a fan favourite segment
• Ash takes the pulpit
• Charles Xavier is stank.

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Original podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

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Follow Jackson Lanzing @foundinthewild & @hivemindactual!

Video Production by Victor Alexander (@Ugly_knees on insta and @clevvergirl on Tiktok)

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NEXT UP: X-Men '97 Sessions S2 E4 with Ash Alleyne (with Kayla) [+] Xena (& Gabrielle) The Warrior Princess (with Sara Century)

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PREVIEW of the premiere of S2 of the 97 Sessions with ASH &'s Ashley Alleyne!

Ash and I break down the first three episodes of the new season of X-Men '97 and are joined on the third chair by 1/2 of the Hivemind Jackson Lanzing (Eisner nominated writer for Star Trek, Kang the Conquerer, Guardians of the Galaxy, Outsiders and NYX)!

Featuring discussion for the episodes :

"Days of Past Future"

"A Force to Be Reckoned With"

"Rise of Apocalypse (Pt. 1)"

[Apologies for the delay, dealing with computer issues and a bout of depression. Full episode with you imminently)

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Dropcall #12

Diaspora calling! Sat down with choir-mate and content creator Kaela Shanti at the Brighton Book Festival to talk about everything.. and also nothing!

stay tuned for Season 2 of the X-Men 97' Sessions in 1.. 2...!

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Original podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

Find Kaela @itskaelashanti on tiktok and @KaelaShanti on insta!

Video Production by Victor Alexander (@Ugly_knees on insta and @clevvergirl on Tiktok)

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Dropcall #10

Lauren and I got on a call and started talking about our pets, the Real Housewives of Atlanta and HBO's Game of thrones spin off House of the Dragon.

This DC is also lowkey a preview for an upcoming episode... stay tuned!

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Original podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

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More at www.alsopurple.com

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The '97 Sessions with Ash Alleyne & Dr. Khaliden Nas

Featuring all the guests from our X-Men 97 S1 Recaps (Tiffie Starchild, Omar Holmon, Victor Alexander, Miss Sundi, Valentine Smith, Connor Goldsmith, Brett Mannes, Evil Jeff, Matthew Bordenave, Marvin Britt and Jiggly Caliente!)

See you in a few days for the return of the '97 sessions with Ash Alleyne!

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The '97 Sessions with Ash Alleyne & Dr. Khaliden Nas

Ash and I sat down for one final conversation about X-Men ’97! We talk our overall season one X-Men thoughts, our overall podcasting thoughts and answer listener questions. Plus, introducing ‘The Mix’, a new segment with a line up of heavy hitters jumping on the third chair to share their thoughts on the season overall. Featuring:

• Thee Miss Sundi!
• Screenwriter Lauren Warren!
• Graphic Policy’s Elana Levin!
• CEREBRO’S Connor Goldsmith!
• Victor A & Tom B!
• Comic writer and icon Stephanie Williams!
• X-Men '97 assistant director Matthew Bordenave!
• X-Men '97 storyboard artist Marvin Britt!
• And the elusive Chris Williams!

One last time, for the children...

Dig in!

We’ve been alternating episodes on both our feeds so make sure to follow both REFERENTIAL and  IMMORTAL X OF WORDS to catch up!

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast X of Words everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Keep up to date with Dr. Khaliden Nas by checking out www.alsopurple.com and following @AlsoPurp on all socials.

Hosted by Ash Alleyne and Dr. Khaliden Nas.

Produced by Dr. Khaliden Nas

Music by PamperedFists & Anzahlung.

Podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

*'Tangents' are audio-only episodes posted more frequently than Video Episodes because they require less work/research/editing!

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The '97 Sessions with Ash Alleyne & Dr. Khaliden Nas

Icons in the room! We’re joined by Brett Mannes and Evil Jeff, hosts of the OG Queer nerd podcast “Comic Book Queers: Legacy”!

We dig into our thoughts and feelings on Episode 10, Season 1 of X-Men '97 - the Season One finale:‘Tolerance is Extinction - Part 2’.

Come listen to us dig into this episode and find out how we also fit the following in. 

• Nerd podcasting in the Pre-Krakoa boom, pre-Serial. 
• Ash reveals his American heritage
• Don’t put Evil in a room with a Jean and a gun
• CAW
• Bastion chokes a lot of women
• Bastion threw the first brick at Stonewall
• Oppression 101
• Steven Universe monologues vs Punching fascists
• Sinister is the oldest Twink in the club
• Ash v Khaliden. Continued.
• Call Me By Your Face
• A moment of appreciation for Jiz, may she never be forgotten
• Why are you down there?!
• The actors nightmare
• Serialised television and event TV
• The return of a now regular segment!
• Clenching
• Storm in this season’s narrative
• Storm/Morph/Beast and the most visibly marginalised mutants

Make sure to subscribe to IMMORTAL X OF WORDS and stay tuned for a special mailbag episode closing to close out the crossover!

Find Comic Books Queers: Legacy on instagram @Comicbookqueers!

Find Brett Mannes @Brettmannes on Instagram!

Find Evil Jeff @EvilJeff on Instagram!

Keep up to date with Dr. Khaliden Nas by checking out www.alsopurple.com and following @AlsoPurp on all socials.

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast X of Words everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Hosted by Ash Alleyne and Dr. Khaliden Nas.

Edited and Produced by Dr. Khaliden Nas

Music by PamperedFists & Anzahlung.

Podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

*'Tangents' are audio-only episodes posted more frequently than Video Episodes because they require less work/research/editing!

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Prepare for S2 by listening back to our S1 recap discussions with some of your favourite comic book nerds across the internet

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'97 Sessions' (Crossover with Ash Alleyne from 'Ash &' )

We’re joined by actress, drag performer, rapper, activist and nerd Bianca Castro aka Jiggly Caliente! (Drag Race Philippines judge, Pose, Rupaul's Drag Race Season 4, All Stars 6, co-host of Translations!) to talk through all our feelings on X-Men '97 Episode 9, Season 1 ‘Tolerance is Extinction - Part 2’.

Come listen to us dig into this episode with an icon in the room!

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• X-Men '97 as that one ex you keep coming back to
• Jiggly Caliente's history with the X-Men
• Comics as a young immigrants' teacher
• Veronica Lodge with superpowers
• Social Parallels
• Discrediting revolutionary ideas
• Sisterhood, adaptation, Jean Grey & Ororo Storm Munroe
• Jean gets her Naruto on
• I try to get Ash and Jiggly to fight
• The return of a regular segment
• Can Storm do something again please?
• Marvel Vs Capcom
• Sitting on Lilandra's eggs
• Shut up Charles
• Bonding over violence
• Queers against assimilation
• Fatal (attractions) Matters
• Xavier's not like us
• XopXopXopXopXop
• The return of the cosmic chicken

We'll be alternating episodes on both our feeds so make sure to follow both REFERENTIAL and Immortal X of Words! 

Make sure to subscribe to IMMORTAL X OF WORDS and we’ll see you back on REFERENTIAL to review Episode 10. And stay tuned for a special mailbag in two weeks!

Keep up to date with Dr. Khaliden Nas by checking out www.alsopurple.com and following @AlsoPurp on all socials.

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast X of Words everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Find Jiggly @jigglycalienteofficial on Instagram !

Hosted by Ash Alleyne and Dr. Khaliden Nas.

Produced by Dr. Khaliden Nas

Music by PamperedFists & Anzahlung.

Podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

*'Tangents' are audio-only episodes posted more frequently than Video Episodes because they require less work/research/editing!

Expect quick reviews, edited out content, collabs, mailbags, live audio, and so on.. *

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Prepare for S2 by listening back to our S1 recap discussions with some of your favourite comic book nerds across the internet

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'97 Sessions' (Crossover with Ash Alleyne from 'Ash &' )

We’re joined by Marvin Britt (Storyboard Artist for X-Men ’97, Star Trek: Lower Decks, Blood of Zeus, The Legend of Vox Machina) to go behind the scenes on X-Men '97 Episode 8, Season 1 ‘Tolerance is Extinction - Part 1’.

Come listen to us dig into all the behind the scenes secrets of the making of this episode’s most iconic scenes 

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• Return of the Children of Toonami 
• Is Bishop okay?
• Losing someone’s baby 
• Khaliden develops name blindness 
• Bastion got the Ash bass
• Destroying Marvin’s love of X-Men in one sentences
• Knitters 
• Where is Emma Frost?!
• The X-Mansion as a tax shelter
• Don’t mess with Michael Mouse
• The ‘pinks’
• Someone get Magneto a robe
• NEIN!

We'll be alternating episodes on both our feeds so make sure to follow both REFERENTIAL and Immortal X of Words! 

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast ASH & everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Keep up to date with Dr. Khaliden Nas by checking out www.alsopurple.com and following @AlsoPurp on all socials.

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast X of Words everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Find Marvin Britt @marvin_b_britt on Instagram !

Hosted by Ash Alleyne and Dr. Khaliden Nas.

Produced by Dr. Khaliden Nas

Music by PamperedFists & Anzahlung.

Podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

*'Tangents' are audio-only episodes posted more frequently than Video Episodes because they require less work/research/editing!

Expect quick reviews, edited out content, collabs, mailbags, live audio, and so on.. *Help other people find the podcasts, share and remember to leave a rating and review if you liked the episode!

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The '97 Sessions with Ash Alleyne & Dr. Khaliden Nas

Prepare for S2 by listening back to our S1 recap discussions with some of your favourite comic book nerds across the internet

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'97 Sessions' (Crossover with Ash Alleyne from 'Ash &' )

For Episode 7 we’re joined by two new chairs (Valentine Smith and Miss Sundi!) to talk all about X-Men '97 Episode 7, Season 1 ‘Bright Eyes’ (written by Charley Feldman and JB Ballard)!

Come listen to us dig into our favourite episode so far 

+ Find out how we've fit the following in:

• The Debut of a brand new segment
• The return of Trifiling Trish Tilby
• Appropriate funeral attire
• Team Rogue did nothing wrong
• Days of Genocides past
• Wading into Captain America discourse
• Jubilee’s earrings
• Ash vs Khaliden continues as new contenders enter the ring
• Western conceptions of ‘The Closet’
• Ms. Bastion’s Blues
• The many failures of Charles Xavier
• Sibling shade
• The quiet firing of Dr. Khaliden Nas
• More brief musical interludes 
• Passé Politics
• Two Dumb Bitches: “EXACTLY!”
• Shout out to Bella Donna
• Are the X-Men heroes for humans or heroes of mutants

We'll be alternating episodes on both our feeds so make sure to follow both REFERENTIAL and Immortal X of Words! 

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast ASH & everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast X of Words everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Keep up to date with Dr. Khaliden Nas by checking out www.alsopurple.com and following @AlsoPurp on all socials.

Find Valentine @ValentineSm1th 

Find Sundi @SundiInThePark/@Sundi.in.the.park

Hosted by Ash Alleyne and Dr. Khaliden Nas.

Produced by Dr. Khaliden Nas

Music by PamperedFists & Anzahlung.

Podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

*'Tangents' are audio-only episodes posted more frequently than Video Episodes because they require less work/research/editing!

Expect quick reviews, edited out content, collabs, mailbags, live audio, and so on.. *

Help other people find the podcasts, share and remember to leave a rating and review if you liked the episode!

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The '97 Sessions with Ash Alleyne & Dr. Khaliden Nas

Prepare for S2 by listening back to our S1 recap discussions with some of your favourite comic book nerds across the internet

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'97 Sessions' (Crossover with Ash Alleyne from 'Ash &' )

For Episode 6 we’re joined by our first ever returning third chair Tiffie Starchild o talk all about X-Men '97 Episode 6, Season 1 ‘Lifedeath - Part 2’.

Come listen to us dig into it

+ Find out how we've fit the following in:

• THE BREEZE IS BACK!
• Galaxy of white refrigerators
• Bird ass people and bussing bald bussy
• Stop the Sinister Steal 2025
• The return of our now regular segment
• Storm can’t catch a break
• Alison Sealy-Smith you will always be famous
• The galactic swirl agenda
• A little bit of race play
• Idealism killing everyone
• Ash reads a letter he wrote Gladiator on the radio
• So she just left Forge there?

We'll be alternating episodes on both our feeds so make sure to follow both REFERENTIAL and Immortal X of Words! 

Make sure to subscribe to IMMORTAL X OF WORDS for the full episode + our recap/review of episode 8 in two weeks, and we’ll see you back on REFERENTIAL to listen to us review Episode 7 next week (and so on!).

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast ASH & everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Find Tiffie Starchild @TiffieStarchild across social media!

Keep up to date with Dr. Khaliden Nas by checking out www.alsopurple.com and following @AlsoPurp on all socials.

Hosted by Ash Alleyne and Dr. Khaliden Nas.

Produced by Dr. Khaliden Nas

Music by PamperedFists & Anzahlung.

Podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

*'Tangents' are audio-only episodes posted more frequently than Video Episodes because they require less work/research/editing!

Expect quick reviews, edited out content, collabs, mailbags, live audio, and so on.. *

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The '97 Sessions with Ash Alleyne & Dr. Khaliden Nas

Prepare for S2 by listening back to our S1 recap discussions with some of your favourite comic book nerds across the internet

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'97 Sessions' (Crossover with Ash Alleyne from 'Ash &' )

For Episode 5 we’re joined by Matthew Bordenave (Assistant Director & Storyboard Artist for X-Men ’97, Young Justice, The Boys Present: Diabolical, Invincible Fight Girl [!] ) to talk X-Men '97 Episode 5, Season 1 ‘Remember It’.

Come listen to us dig into all the behind the scenes secrets of the making of this instantly iconic episode. 

+ Find out how we've fit the following in:

• The return of our new regular segment
• Trifiling Trish Tilby’s bumpit
• A too brief Young Justice tangent
• Khaliden discovers emotions
• The Trial of Matthew Bordenave 
• Khaliden vs Matthew (Round 1)
• Brief musical interludes
• Ash vs Khaliden (Round 2)
• Mutant trauma and Black audiences
• Omar Holmon presents a Cyclops Ether 
• The Trial of Hank Mccoy (cont.)
• Nayhooo
• Whities are back
• Clone with a Hard C 
• I know Genosha smells crazy

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast ASH & everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Keep up to date with Dr. Khaliden Nas by checking out www.alsopurple.com and following @AlsoPurp on all socials.

Hosted by Ash Alleyne and Dr. Khaliden Nas.

Produced by Dr. Khaliden Nas

Music by PamperedFists & Anzahlung.

Podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

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The '97 Sessions with Ash Alleyne & Dr. Khaliden Nas

Prepare for S2 by listening back to our S1 recap discussions with some of your favourite comic book nerds across the internet

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'97 Sessions' (Crossover with Ash Alleyne from 'Ash &' )

For Episode 4 we’re joined by my friend Victor Alexander (REFERENTIAL’s own video producer (follow us on Youtube and Tiktok!). We talk X-Men '97 Episode 4, Season 1 ‘Motendo / Lifedeath – Part 1’.

Find out how we've fit the following in:

• The debut of a new regular segment
• The debut of JubilAsh
• Nostalgia
• The trial of Victor Alexander, Beast Defender
• Lorna looking RIKAN
• Bzzt vs Pfft
• An ASMR recap
• Ash holds our hands
• Mojo’s Drag Race 
• White dungarees 
• Sunsplat

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast ASH & everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Find Victor @roughcopyzine on insta

Keep up to date with Dr. Khaliden Nas by checking out www.alsopurple.com and following @AlsoPurp on all socials.

Hosted by Ash Alleyne and Dr. Khaliden Nas.

Produced by Dr. Khaliden Nas

Music by PamperedFists & Anzahlung.

Podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

*'Tangents' are audio-only episodes posted more frequently than Video Episodes because they require less work/research/editing!

Expect quick reviews, edited out content, collabs, mailbags, live audio, and so on.. *

Remember to leave a rating and review if you liked the episode!

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The '97 Sessions with Ash Alleyne & Dr. Khaliden Nas

Prepare for S2 by listening back to our S1 recap discussions with some of your favourite comic book nerds across the internet

________________

'97 Sessions' (Crossover with Ash Alleyne from 'Ash &' )!

For Episode 3 we’re joined by our friend Connor Goldsmith (host of the Cerebro Podcast!) to talk X-Men '97 Episode 3, Season 1 ‘Fire Made Flesh’.

Slightly longer than the previous episodes, but when the three of us sit down we tend to get carried away!

Find out how we've fit the following in:

• An ode to Madelyne Jennifer Pryor (who did nothing wrong)
• Jean puts her hair up in a ponytail and gets back to work
• Communal showering
• Hank McCoy’s bedside manner and how to report it
• Morph, Gen Z and anti-sex
• Pray for Nathan Summers
• The Redemption of Scott Summers?
• Popping claws
• (MJP!)
• Chandeliers and Brimstone Clones!
• Magneto and Rogue are sure being quiet this episode…
• Will we see Bishop before the finale?
• Psychic Battles done correctly
• The breeze is still gone

Find Ash @Vanthefirst on all socials and his podcast everywhere you find your podcasts. 

Keep up to date with Dr. Khaliden Nas by checking out www.alsopurple.com and following @AlsoPurp on all socials.

Hosted by Ash Alleyne and Dr. Khaliden Nas.

Produced by Dr. Khaliden Nas

Music by PamperedFists & Anzahlung.

Podcast Artwork by Valentine M. Smith. 

*'Tangents' are audio-only episodes posted more frequently than Video Episodes because they require less work/research/editing!

Expect quick reviews, edited out content, collabs, mailbags, live audio, and so on.. *

Remember to leave a rating and review if you liked the episode!

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