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  • The Jack & 'Chill Podcast 5 | Merry Christmas!

    In this episode of Jack & 'Chill, the two answer some Christmas related "this one" or "that one" questions. Then they talk about some annoying holiday traditions. After that, they discuss The Grinch. Finally, they share what makes their hearts grow three sizes.

    Transcript:

    00:00:00

    Xochitl

    You are listening to the Jack and Chill podcast alright, Jack. For this episode of Jack and Chill I have a fun game of this or that which for viewers.

    00:00:20

    Xochitl

    Means that I will ask Jack whether he would prefer one option or a second option and he will tell me which one he prefers and then I will also answer.

    00:00:30

    Xochitl

    So Jack, do you prefer fruit cake, which is a holiday dessert that is kind of unpopular in the US? It's basically a kind of like a loaf of cake with candied fruits incorporated into it. Or ambrosia salad, which is a creamy.

    00:00:50

    Xochitl

    Sweet salad with several different types of fruit and fruit flavored marshmallows in it.

    00:00:59

    Jack

    Yeah. You know, when I was a kid, I would have said ambrosia salad. I would prefer that because it's kind of the texture is kind of like it's kind of like jello jello or, you know, kind of a Jelly.

    00:01:14

    Xochitl

    Yeah, like a sweet whipped.

    00:01:16

    Jack

    Yes, sweet whipped, very light. It's it's you.

    00:01:20

    Jack

    You know the expression.

    00:01:21

    Jack

    There's always room for Jello, you know? So at the end of of a big meal, you could still eat a little bit of ambrosia salad and it's not going to fill you up too much. And it's sweet, but now I've I think it's disgusting. It's way too sweet. It's just.

    00:01:40

    Jack

    I would rather have a a slice of fruitcake.

    00:01:43

    Jack

    To be honest.

    00:01:45

    Jack

    I don't mind fruitcake that much. I mean, I know that it's it's not my favorite dessert, but it's got some nuts in it. It's got some.

    00:01:56

    Jack

    A little bit of candied fruit and a little bit of cake, so you know it's not. It's not too much, it's it doesn't overload the senses like ambrosia salad does.

    00:02:10

    Jack

    I don't know. What do you think?

    00:02:12

    Xochitl

    Uhm, I never liked ambrosia salad, even as a kid I had kind of weird taste buds, like I prefer dark chocolate over milk chocolate. Even from being a little child and.

    00:02:23

    Xochitl

    I I would drink.

    00:02:23

    Jack

    Yeah, that's sophisticated.

    00:02:25

    Xochitl

    Black Coffee, also as a child, is the Mexico kids drink coffee. I had. I did add some sugar into it, but I wouldn't put any milk and I didn't like it. Very sweet because I like the like kind of bitter flavor profile.

    00:02:40

    Xochitl

    So I always had weird taste buds and.

    00:02:42

    Xochitl

    I hated hamburger salad. It was just horrible and I would say I would pick fruit cake even though as a kid I also didn't like the texture of like the candied fruits, raisins and like nuts in it.

    00:02:54

    Xochitl

    I would pick. I would pick those out, but now as an adult, I think I could just eat the whole thing. I think with like a coffee.

    00:03:00

    Xochitl

    Be or like a.

    00:03:04

    Xochitl

    One chip which we make in Mexico, which is like the hot.

    00:03:06

    Xochitl

    Fruit punch. Drink, I think.

    00:03:07

    Xochitl

    That it would be tolerable.

    00:03:10

    Jack

    Yeah, I would.

    00:03:11

    Jack

    I would be right now I would be very satisfied with a slice of fruit cake and a a latte.

    00:03:18

    Jack

    Like that would be. That would be nice like with my neck but a.

    00:03:22

    Xochitl

    I'll be hitting on Jack.

    00:03:22

    Jack

    Like a bowl.

    00:03:23

    Jack

    Of a bowl of marshmallows with you know, Jello and whip and whipped cream does not.

    00:03:27

    Xochitl

    With green.

    00:03:30

    Jack

    It doesn't sound good to me. It's just a. Yeah, it's nasty.

    00:03:35

    Xochitl

    Right now, yeah, I can't imagine it would be, like, hard to get a spoon down and then with the food cake, it's like, yeah, I could do it. You know, I I wouldn't mind, actually. Yeah.

    00:03:44

    Xochitl

    I got you. All right, Jack, for next one. Do you prefer eggnog or hot chocolate?

    00:03:50

    Jack

    Yeah, I know we're going to have a a bitter argument about this one, but I love.

    00:03:56

    Jack

    I love it.

    00:03:56

    Xochitl

    You know what? I've come around to eggnog.

    00:03:59

    Xochitl

    I'll let you finish, but I'll let you finish.

    00:03:59

    Jack

    Oh, OK. Yeah. I'm a big eggnog fan. My dad used to buy because they only sold it seasonally. And where I go.

    00:04:09

    Xochitl

    Uh-huh. It's still only sold seasonally.

    00:04:11

    Jack

    Yeah, and it was. My dad used to buy one called Holly Nog. That was like the name of the company and dog. It was just like you. Like a milk carton, but instead out came this, like, think. I don't know how to describe. It's so thick. Like it's just thick, thick.

    00:04:17

    Xochitl

    So I yeah.

    00:04:31

    Jack

    Like and a thick liquid and and you drink it cold and it's not milk, but it's kind of it's Milky.

    00:04:40

    Xochitl

    It's kind of.

    00:04:40

    Xochitl

    Like a custard, like a liquid custard.

    00:04:43

    Jack

    Yeah, exactly. It's very much like a liquid custard, but I.

    00:04:47

    Xochitl

    In fact it is. It has eggs very good.

    00:04:47

    발표자

    Always found.

    00:04:50

    Jack

    Yeah. Well, I just like to take, like, a coffee cup with a half a coffee, coffee cup of eggnog, and. And it's so heavy. And it's so rich that you could just take little sips. And it feels like you're taking a whole bite of some kind of dessert. It's like drinking a dessert based.

    00:05:10

    Jack

    Am I? I know the calories.

    00:05:12

    Jack

    In there have to be astronomical like.

    00:05:14

    Xochitl

    Ohh it's bad because I had like it said for like 4 oz. It's like over 200 calories and I definitely have like 2.

    00:05:21

    Xochitl

    8 oz cups today so I I just found like 800 calories of.

    00:05:26

    Xochitl

    The eggnog in one day.

    00:05:30

    Jack

    I mean, I could drink a whole carton of it, to be honest. Like I I tried to make it once even and it didn't turn out too well. I put too much vanilla extract in it and it made my throat hurt.

    00:05:40

    Xochitl

    Oh yeah.

    00:05:44

    Jack

    So yeah, it can. It burned, but I you know, I love. I love eggnog and I'm not. I'm not a big hot chocolate drinker. I just don't. I've got a bunch in my house and it just expires because no one drinks it.

    00:05:44

    Xochitl

    Ohh burn.

    00:05:58

    Xochitl

    Is it like the Swiss news type that you have though, like the instant hot cocoa?

    00:06:02

    Jack

    Yeah, it's not like real. It's not real hot chocolate. It's just the the exactly, it's the powder.

    00:06:04

    발표자

    That's what.

    00:06:09

    Jack

    That you mix with hot.

    00:06:10

    Jack

    Warm milk or or water if you.

    00:06:14

    Jack

    I think the water, it tastes the worst. You know, if you mix it with milk.

    00:06:17

    Xochitl

    Yeah, but if you hate yourself.

    00:06:19

    Xochitl

    And drink it with water.

    00:06:20

    Jack

    Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's just it's just sugar water and it's really gross. But with milk it it's it's a little bit better. I just, I just don't like to get my calories from drinks. Usually. Yeah, unless, you know, I do, I do drink milk, but I drink it with my coffee.

    00:06:41

    Jack

    Cause I love ice lattes, so I will drink. You know, a lot of coffee with with milk.

    00:06:42

    발표자

    Right.

    00:06:50

    Xochitl

    But it's like a splash.

    00:06:51

    Xochitl

    Of milk in your coffee. Not like.

    00:06:53

    Jack

    Ohh no, I drink like full actually I I just lied to you. I drink a lot of calories. Uh, actually if you count milk because I'll put like I'll make a really strong like 3 espresso shots and then fill up a cup with ice and then the rest is milk. It's probably it's only half a cup of milk. It's because there's so much ice.

    00:07:14

    Jack

    Dinner but.

    00:07:15

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:07:16

    Jack

    I'll drink those. Like I'll drink like two or three.

    00:07:18

    Jack

    A day because.

    00:07:19

    Xochitl

    OK, but that but milk does have some nutritional value. You're not really getting sugar like sugar calories for that, which is something I do admire because I definitely drink a lot of my calories lately. I mean, I had a full I have like a 16 ounce coke and.

    00:07:36

    Xochitl

    28 oz cups of eggnogs just today, so I definitely drink my calories. I try.

    00:07:41

    발표자

    Yeah. Yeah. Well.

    00:07:42

    Xochitl

    To be more mindful that in the new.

    00:07:43

    Jack

    Year it's so it's so easy to do and I mean I do. I do sometimes drink calories too because like I said, I I drink, I drink milk and.

    00:07:56

    Jack

    And but I you know I.

    00:07:57

    Jack

    Drink diet soda sometimes. So that's, you know, got its own problems related to it so.

    00:08:06

    Jack

    I'm I'm by no means like Mr. healthy.

    00:08:09

    Jack

    Over here on my high horse, you know?

    00:08:12

    Xochitl

    You know, I as I've gotten older, I have come around to eggnog, so it's not the horrible choice I would have vilified you for before, but I don't like the like the Holly nod. Like I don't like the brand that you're talking about. It tastes. There's, like, a really strong nutmeg flavor to that brand that's like overpowering.

    00:08:32

    Xochitl

    And it's like too thick and too sweet.

    00:08:35

    Xochitl

    And and I like when I was younger, I used to prefer silk, not like the the the I guess vegan option that was made with soy milk because it was thinner.

    00:08:51

    Xochitl

    And it wasn't so thick. It was like a texture thing, and it had less of a really intense, like eggy and not Maggie type of flavor. So I put, I would ask my parents to purchase some milk. Not is what I would drink. I would not drink the regular eggnog because it was.

    00:08:59

    Jack

    OK.

    00:09:06

    Xochitl

    Nasty because.

    00:09:06

    Xochitl

    It was like thick and.

    00:09:08

    Xochitl

    My sister really loved.

    00:09:10

    Xochitl

    Eggnog and I just was never a fan.

    00:09:13

    Xochitl

    And in recent.

    00:09:14

    Xochitl

    Years I've actually come around to it. Only specific brands I like. There's a brand here in Iowa called Kelowna, Supernatural, and it's like an organic, I guess, milk, but it's like the eggnog is pretty thin and it has like cinnamon and stuff in it.

    00:09:34

    Xochitl

    And it's it's very kind of like thin. It's so creamy, but it doesn't have that custardy like flavor or thickness.

    00:09:40

    Jack

    Yeah, it's almost comfy.

    00:09:43

    Jack

    Then it comes up, yeah.

    00:09:44

    Xochitl

    Yeah, it's not like clumpy or like thick. So I really enjoyed that actually. And I've come around to it. But that being said, I do prefer hot chocolate and that's because I don't drink the little sweet.

    00:09:59

    Xochitl

    Packets. I always bring chocolate from Mexico and.

    00:10:03

    Xochitl

    You dissolve that.

    00:10:04

    Xochitl

    And milk.

    00:10:06

    Xochitl

    And drink it. And I like to add some marshmallows in the bottom of the cup and then put like, some whipped cream on top and go to town on that.

    00:10:15

    Jack

    You just make real hot real hot chocolate. Like the way it's supposed to be made you mix. You put real chocolate in with milk and and then you can add the the sugar. You don't even have to add that much sugar, probably because the marshmallows are sweetening it up.

    00:10:31

    Jack

    Enough. Yeah, I don't add.

    00:10:33

    Xochitl

    Any sugar actually? Because it's like dark chocolate. But it is sweetened some.

    00:10:37

    Jack

    Oh, OK, so it's sweet and dark chocolate. OK. Yeah, that sounds really nice. That sounds wonderful. Yeah.

    00:10:43

    Xochitl

    Yeah. And the Mexican one had it comes with like cinnamon and some other like spices in it incorporated into it.

    00:10:52

    발표자

    OK.

    00:10:52

    Xochitl

    So yeah, it has a really rich, nutty flavor, cause it's like the actual cocoa beans that have been like, crushed and processed. Yeah. So it's tasty.

    00:11:04

    Jack

    I mean, I would be OK with either option to be honest, but The thing is, I haven't had eggnog for.

    00:11:10

    Jack

    Probably 20 years, so I just miss it. You know, they don't sell it where I live. Here. I live in Korea so that we don't have eggnog here. You have to make your own and.

    00:11:22

    Jack

    I don't know. I'm too lazy to do that so.

    00:11:25

    Jack

    I think just buying Holly Nog in America would be would be kind of nice just one time.

    00:11:33

    Xochitl

    Yeah. And it's so special because it's like you can only really have it around the like very specific like from November to December maybe or like November to the very beginning of like the end of November to the very beginning of January is when you can find eggnog on the shelves and.

    00:11:50

    Xochitl

    You kind of get like a a month and maybe a couple of weeks like six weeks of eggnog time at at the Max. And then it's just completely gone off the shelves and you can't buy it anywhere. So.

    00:12:03

    Jack

    You can go to McDonald's and you can.

    00:12:04

    Jack

    Get an eggnog shake, which are amazing those are.

    00:12:08

    Xochitl

    Is that a real?

    00:12:09

    Xochitl

    Thing I've never had that before.

    00:12:10

    Jack

    Yes, yes, they have the Shamrock shake, which is around Saint Patrick's Day, which is.

    00:12:16

    Jack

    Mint and then they have the around the holiday season, they've got the eggnog shake.

    00:12:24

    Xochitl

    I may have to try that. I'm sure it's going to be like 1000.

    00:12:27

    Xochitl

    Calories in.

    00:12:27

    Xochitl

    One I got I have.

    00:12:27

    Jack

    Ohh yeah, it's a.

    00:12:29

    Xochitl

    To give it a try though now.

    00:12:30

    Jack

    You gotta try it though.

    00:12:31

    Xochitl

    That you've talked about it. Gotta try it. Alright, Jack. Now what about Christmas? Ham or Christmas Turkey? Which do you prefer? And which did you grow up with? I'm curious as well.

    00:12:44

    Jack

    Both we've we've done turkeys and we've done hams.

    00:12:48

    Jack

    UMI think maybe we did more turkeys than hams. If I'm not mistaken, but I'll take a Christmas ham any day of the week like over a A Christmas Turkey. You.

    00:12:59

    Xochitl

    Know Turkey is.

    00:13:00

    Jack

    Nice on Thanksgiving, but it's very dry. It's kind of, it's a dry meat. It's not like it's not necessarily.

    00:13:09

    Jack

    The most delicious bird meat or poultry that you can that you can eat. I I love it but I eat it for nostalgic purposes but a ham. Ohh man. A really nice ham is is so good like ohh man. Couple slices of ham with some potatoes and.

    00:13:29

    Jack

    Yeah, it's just a beautiful.

    00:13:33

    Jack

    Meal. Yeah, I I miss. I missed the Christmas ham, to be honest.

    00:13:38

    Jack

    What about you?

    00:13:39

    Xochitl

    You know.

    00:13:41

    Xochitl

    If I could choose anything, I would choose Doc. I think to make on Christmas, but that wasn't one of the.

    00:13:46

    Jack

    Oh yeah. OK.

    00:13:48

    Xochitl

    Options so I will go.

    00:13:50

    Xochitl

    With ham as well, I think Turkey, it's just pretty bland. The only time I had really good Turkey was my grandpa, and I think my cousin like made a recipe together.

    00:14:02

    Xochitl

    There where it was like Turkey Al Pastor, which is like a Mexican Taco kind of seasoning, but not like what you would typically think of as Taco seasoning in the Midwest as like chipotles and like some other dried chilies and adobo, like, mixed in a spice.

    00:14:22

    Xochitl

    Mix and then.

    00:14:23

    Xochitl

    Rubbed on the Turkey and it was really good. It made the Turkey super super flavorful.

    00:14:31

    Xochitl

    But besides that, I've just never been a huge tricky fan. I'm OK with the leg as well, like I prefer the leg over the breast or anything, but I just. I'm not a Turkey fan. I mean, as you said, go ahead.

    00:14:42

    Jack

    Yeah. No, I'm sorry. It was just, it's easy to make it to. It's easy to dry out the Turkey if you if it's cooked properly, where people aren't adding water, basting it, you know, a couple sticks of butter, you know, all over it, you know, it can really make it.

    00:15:00

    Jack

    Make it delicious.

    00:15:01

    Jack

    This so it it depends on how it's prepared I think.

    00:15:06

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I mean, I've definitely had it. The most delicious Turkey, and it still wasn't it just it's harder to make that delicious and like it if you just put a ham in there, you know, rub some spices or some hot honey on it or something and stick it in the oven, you know, it's gonna come out good.

    00:15:23

    Jack

    And it even just even just it just bakes in its own fat.

    00:15:28

    Xochitl

    Yeah. And it comes out like good every time pretty much it's just lots of a hassle. I I just.

    00:15:30

    Jack

    Yeah, right.

    00:15:33

    Xochitl

    Prefer it to cooking the Turkey so you know.

    00:15:40

    Xochitl

    I I am also a a ham fan. What about?

    00:15:45

    Xochitl

    Candy canes or chocolate oranges. Now, candy canes uh for viewers who are unfamiliar are these little.

    00:15:53

    Xochitl

    Cane shaped candies that are white and red, and they have a strong peppermint flavor. A very strong peppermint flavor, and then the chocolate orange is very popular here in the US and it's just a chocolate shaped like an orange. It even has little wedges that come out of its.

    00:16:13

    Xochitl

    Whole and it's just kind of orange flavored, but it does have like an artificial orange flavoring in my opinion.

    00:16:21

    Jack

    Yeah, I mean the, the, the when it.

    00:16:24

    Jack

    Comes to like eating.

    00:16:26

    Jack

    I'd probably rather eat the chocolate orange.

    00:16:29

    Jack

    Then the candy cane.

    00:16:31

    Jack

    But if you're if you're talking about aesthetics, you know, like like the the look of it like I'd rather have a Christmas with candy canes and no chocolate orange.

    00:16:42

    Jack

    Is if that makes sense, because we used to decorate our tree with candy canes and we put them on the tree and then you could, you know, if you're, like, need a mint or something and you're, you know, you could take one and break off a.

    00:16:57

    Jack

    Piece but to eat?

    00:16:58

    Jack

    A whole candy cane is is.

    00:17:01

    Xochitl

    Kind of overwhelming.

    00:17:02

    Jack

    Yeah, it's too much mint. It's it's not good.

    00:17:09

    Xochitl

    I kind of only like could glean in white ones. They're they come in different colors and the green and white ones have the like experiment flavor. Have you had those?

    00:17:16

    Jack

    Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, they have fruity ones they have.

    00:17:18

    Xochitl

    Little different.

    00:17:20

    Jack

    All kinds of different.

    00:17:21

    Xochitl

    They have bubble gum flavored ones. I do like those, actually bubble gum ones and the lemon ones like the lemon ones that are. But yeah, I think the aesthetics are very Christmas thing. The red and white are the green and white are the red and green and white candy canes. But.

    00:17:40

    Xochitl

    I even though.

    00:17:42

    Xochitl

    I don't really like the chocolate orange because.

    00:17:44

    Xochitl

    It's it's kind of artificial tasting, I think I'd still rather eat it just because the candy cane gets so overwhelming after a while.

    00:17:52

    Jack

    Yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna do the.

    00:17:54

    Jack

    Candy cane. Take my I don't.

    00:17:57

    Jack

    Think my teeth could handle it anymore, you know?

    00:18:00

    Xochitl

    It's like burning your mouth too, and it's.

    00:18:03

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I don't know.

    00:18:03

    Jack

    Sugar. It's just eat. You're just eating a.

    00:18:05

    Jack

    Sugar like if I'm.

    00:18:07

    Jack

    Gonna eat that much sugar? I want to enjoy what I'm eating. Like. I don't want to. I'm not going to just open a bag of sugar and start, you know, taking spoons of sugar. I'm gonna eat something decadent. You know something? You naughty a dessert.

    00:18:24

    Jack

    That I really enjoy, and so I wouldn't, I just wouldn't waste the calories on a candy cane, but a piece of chocolate, like one slice.

    00:18:32

    Jack

    Of chocolate orange. I kind of like that. It's it's. It's like an interesting flavor. Like you said that you you said use the expression flavor profile and it's got like orange zest in it, but it's also chocolate. I don't mind that. I wouldn't be able to eat the whole thing obviously, but one slice of it would be.

    00:18:52

    Jack

    You know, kind of perfect.

    00:18:54

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:18:55

    Xochitl

    Yeah, for sure. How about Christmas cookies or gingerbread man? Now, Christmas cookies are like a sugar cookie with a sugar icing. It's literally just like cream or water and powdered sugar and food coloring that we put on top of Christmas cookies. And the base is just kind of like a vanilla butter sugar.

    00:19:17

    Xochitl

    Cookie base and then gingerbread men have a gingerbread base. Which are it has ginger as one of the seasonings and then it.

    00:19:28

    Xochitl

    Has like treacle or molasses, so like a thick dark sugar as another seasoning and it has a much more spicy.

    00:19:39

    Xochitl

    Kind of flavor. It's heavily spiced.

    00:19:42

    Xochitl

    Yeah, yeah. Which do you prefer?

    00:19:45

    Jack

    You know, I don't mind gingerbread. I mean, I like it. I I can eat that. I think it tastes interesting, but.

    00:19:55

    Jack

    100% give me a Christmas cookie any day. Any day like I I would love. I love Christmas cookies, especially one shaped like a tree.

    00:20:04

    Jack

    Or Santa Claus.

    00:20:06

    Jack

    Or a star.

    00:20:08

    Jack

    UM, you?

    00:20:10

    Jack

    Know those are I I love Christmas cookies. I I like them for the nostalgic purposes and I like the way they taste too. So.

    00:20:22

    Jack

    That's my choice. What about you?

    00:20:24

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I.

    00:20:25

    Xochitl

    I would also.

    00:20:26

    Xochitl

    Pick Christmas cookie just because like you said, Gingerbread. You know, it's interesting. I could. I could.

    00:20:32

    Xochitl

    One and I would enjoy it, but I think Christmas cookies are just they can be too sweet. Which is why when I make my own, I prefer to just do like an outline of icing instead of covering the whole cookie and a sheet of icing. But it's just one of those delights that you could just.

    00:20:53

    Xochitl

    You could eat.

    00:20:53

    Xochitl

    Five in a row easily and not real.

    00:20:56

    Jack

    Ohh yeah yeah yeah, I.

    00:20:59

    Jack

    I I I indulge.

    00:21:02

    Jack

    That's why we don't. I don't have. I don't. We don't. We don't make them here around.

    00:21:08

    Xochitl

    Can't have them in your house? Yeah, usually.

    00:21:09

    Jack

    No, no, no, no, I can't. I can't. It's. But it's such when my mom used to.

    00:21:13

    Jack

    Make them she would make like.

    00:21:14

    Jack

    100 You know I.

    00:21:15

    Jack

    Mean they were. They were everywhere they were.

    00:21:19

    Jack

    You you every time I walk past the kitchen, I I'd grab one or two.

    00:21:24

    Jack

    And head down to watch TV and that's why they call it the holiday 15 or whatever you gain. Like, I guess that's not no, that's the freshman 15. Sorry, I'm using that holiday 5 is what it's called.

    00:21:35

    Xochitl

    Shipping the holiday five, I think maybe.

    00:21:40

    Jack

    The 5 lbs.

    00:21:40

    Xochitl

    Yeah, nowadays it.

    00:21:41

    Xochitl

    Does feel like it could be more like 15?

    00:21:44

    Jack

    Well, it used to be 15 for me probably, but.

    00:21:46

    Jack

    Yeah, I mean.

    00:21:47

    Jack

    I would I always gained a ton of weight around the holiday season because I just ate whatever I wanted and there were. It was. Everything was around. You know, there's just every corner you turn. There's some new treats that my my mom was preparing Christmas cookies.

    00:22:03

    Jack

    Chocolate covered cherries, almond bark.

    00:22:07

    Jack

    I mean, how are you? What?

    00:22:09

    Jack

    Are you going to do is say no to?

    00:22:10

    Jack

    That I mean it's.

    00:22:12

    Xochitl

    Yeah, just especially as a kid. There's, like, so many treats. I remember one time I was at like my.

    00:22:19

    Xochitl

    Dad's like.

    00:22:22

    Xochitl

    Departments Christmas parties. My dad is a professor, and I remember I grabbed like another cookie I already had, like two or three, and then one of the other professors.

    00:22:32

    Xochitl

    He was like watching his children kind of, and he said.

    00:22:38

    Xochitl

    How many have?

    00:22:39

    Xochitl

    You had and I said one.

    00:22:40

    Xochitl

    And he was like, oh, that's the well that.

    00:22:42

    Xochitl

    He's like well.

    00:22:42

    Xochitl

    The perfect answer is 2 because no one will tell you that you can't have another one. And I said, well, the perfect answer is one because.

    00:22:47

    Xochitl

    Then I can have two more, not just.

    00:22:49

    Xochitl

    One and I have. Yeah, I have lied and said only had one already, but I already have three. I'm.

    00:22:56

    Xochitl

    It's just such a kid.

    00:22:57

    Xochitl

    Because there's just like, there's literally mountains of different desserts, like holiday cookies and brownies and.

    00:23:04

    Jack

    Why was that guy? What was he the?

    00:23:06

    Jack

    Cookie please or something.

    00:23:07

    Xochitl

    That's kind of why he was like, I don't know what, why he was on my **** about this, but he was kind of messing with all the kids in the same way. But it was kind of annoying. I was like, bro, you didn't even bring these my laughs as many as I want.

    00:23:20

    Jack

    Yeah, yeah. I don't like that at all. I don't like that. That's like a form of shaming, shaming stuff. Yeah, yeah.

    00:23:26

    Xochitl

    Yeah, for sure it was.

    00:23:29

    Jack

    Else you like to do that to kids and I.

    00:23:33

    Jack

    I never understood.

    00:23:34

    Jack

    What? Why they do that? It's it's really annoying.

    00:23:38

    Xochitl

    Right. What the power trip is about. I mean, kids are there to enjoy the holidays.

    00:23:43

    Xochitl

    They don't, really.

    00:23:43

    Xochitl

    Have to worry about calories the same way we.

    00:23:45

    Xochitl

    Do either they're like.

    00:23:46

    Xochitl

    Running around burning that off pretty much constantly, yeah.

    00:23:49

    Jack

    Sure. Of course, of course.

    00:23:52

    Xochitl

    Yeah, and yeah, it's just it's such a joyous experience because really there's like mountains of brownies, mountains of.

    00:24:01

    Xochitl

    Different types of cookies? Cake. Ohh yeah fudge. There's like the least popular desserts which are like, you know, bourbon cake, fruit cake, bread.

    00:24:04

    Jack

    Ohh fudge my mom used.

    00:24:05

    Jack

    To make comments too.

    00:24:18

    Xochitl

    Pudding with raisins in it.

    00:24:21

    Jack

    Yeah, yeah.

    00:24:22

    Xochitl

    Things like that. Yeah. And then there's like.

    00:24:24

    Xochitl

    The ones that are kind of like sugary snacks like candy covered pretzels or chocolate covered strawberries, or you know, whatever.

    00:24:33

    Xochitl

    But yeah, there's just such an assortment of different snacks, and I think it's just such a great time, great time to be a.

    00:24:39

    Xochitl

    Kid, because you're like so.

    00:24:42

    Xochitl

    Awestruck by all of this delicious food, and you don't even you're not worried because you didn't have to bring anything to the party. That was your parents job.

    00:24:47

    Jack

    Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    00:24:50

    Xochitl

    So you're just enjoying it.

    00:24:55

    Jack

    Is is the best part of it? I mean, usually those those kinds of holiday parties, nobody cares. Everyone's the adults are are getting drunk and you know, they're drinking. They're drinking a different kind of eggnog, you know, eggnog with some bourbon or. Yeah.

    00:25:13

    Jack

    Alcohol in it, which I always thought was disgusting. I tried that when I was an adult. I I drank the alcoholic eggnog and I was like, why would you?

    00:25:23

    Jack

    Ever ruin eggnog with alcohol?

    00:25:27

    발표자

    You should have.

    00:25:28

    Xochitl

    The one in Mexico's called Rompope and it's like it's much tastier than the eggnog spiked with alcohol here in the US. It's like it's it's thinner and it has, like, more different spices in it. And it's really in the kind of vanilla flavored and it's very tasty. It tastes like a Bay leaves Irish but like.

    00:25:46

    Jack

    Ohh OK then I could get on board probably.

    00:25:49

    Xochitl

    Yeah, it's.

    00:25:50

    Xochitl

    Good. Yeah, but the one here, it's like the texture is kind of wrong for for like the alcohol as well. It like makes it thick and it's already thick. And then it's just like thick and burning your throat at the same time.

    00:25:51

    Jack

    OK.

    00:26:02

    Jack

    Yeah, it's just. Well, it just.

    00:26:04

    Jack

    Has a horrible after taste. It's just like, Oh no thanks.

    00:26:07

    Xochitl

    Yeah, yeah. What did I drink for sure? Alright. Which brings us to our next talking point. Terrible Christmas traditions. Jeff, what is something you think is a terrible Christmas tradition?

    00:26:21

    Jack

    My terrible Christmas traditions. Alright, well, let's see here. I think one terrible Christmas tradition is.

    00:26:31

    Jack

    Like caroling is annoying, right? Like.

    00:26:36

    Jack

    If you're participating in caroling, you're you have to go outside in the freezing cold weather and then you're going to people's houses and singing.

    00:26:47

    Jack

    Uh to them. But they didn't ask for it, so it's unsolicited singing.

    00:26:57

    Xochitl

    And they're kind of interrupting your, like, holiday time.

    00:27:00

    Jack

    Yeah, you're eating dinner or something, and then it's like, oh, hey, Carol, the carolers are here, and then we all have to run out and pretend that we enjoy that they came by, but we're just, like, really hoping they'll leave really soon. And, you know, it's just, it's like, and the carolers are so excited and they think that everybody loves it.

    00:27:20

    Jack

    And it's like, you know, it's like when you're.

    00:27:22

    Jack

    When your toddler.

    00:27:24

    Jack

    Gives you a a artwork from kindergarten or whatever and.

    00:27:29

    Jack

    You like. Look, look what?

    00:27:30

    Jack

    I made you know, and you have to be, like, pretend that it's the most amazing painting ever painted of.

    00:27:38

    Jack

    A horse or.

    00:27:39

    Jack

    Whatever and and, but really, you know it's, you know, it's not genuine.

    00:27:45

    Jack

    I I don't know. I mean maybe.

    00:27:46

    Jack

    Some people enjoy it, they like genuinely enjoy caroling. I just frankly think it's more of like a movie thing. It's like.

    00:27:55

    Xochitl

    A performance thing to like? Uh.

    00:27:58

    Xochitl

    Like we have.

    00:27:59

    Xochitl

    For full term, it's just like a a tradition that people perform it even if they don't want to. Kind of.

    00:28:07

    Jack

    Well, you know the the the thing that.

    00:28:09

    Jack

    My problem with it again is just the intrusion, like going to people's houses and doing it. I kind of like like maybe.

    00:28:17

    Jack

    If you go to.

    00:28:18

    Jack

    A performance like if you go to a church service or something like that and then there's a choir singing some of the Christmas songs.

    00:28:27

    Jack

    Then I I'm like, that's great. I that's what I signed up.

    00:28:27

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:28:30

    Jack

    Four, but.

    00:28:31

    Xochitl

    Or, if you're like, if Carol, you know.

    00:28:33

    Xochitl

    I think it'd be better if, like the Carroll Group, like went downtown or something, and they were just like downtown kind of busking like, because if you're in the downtown area or whatever, then you would expect to see stuff like that on Christmas and.

    00:28:45

    Xochitl

    It kind of.

    00:28:45

    Jack

    I don't mind that either.

    00:28:46

    Jack

    I don't mind public, public singing around the the holiday season. I'm not a total Scrooge. I'm not like a Bahama bug. I just think it's like the personal intrusion, like I'm in the middle of die hard, you know, it's like a really cool part coming up and then I hear these people singing outside. I can't be rude and ignore them.

    00:28:52

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:29:06

    Jack

    But I have to humor them, but I don't really appreciate it as much as they think that I appreciate it so.

    00:29:13

    Jack

    You know, you know who appreciates the carolers, our elderly people.

    00:29:18

    Jack

    They just love.

    00:29:18

    Xochitl

    That's true.

    00:29:18

    Jack

    That stuff. So they should just go to elderly people's houses and just put a.

    00:29:23

    Jack

    Smile on on.

    00:29:24

    Xochitl

    Or like Elder like.

    00:29:26

    Xochitl

    They should go to nursing homes. And just like saying I that would be like the most appreciating.

    00:29:28

    Jack

    Yes, go to nursing homes. That's what they they love that don't. Don't.

    00:29:33

    Jack

    Carol on my.

    00:29:34

    Jack

    St. No one, no one cares. Hey.

    00:29:36

    Xochitl

    Yeah, get off my freaking St. we're like.

    00:29:38

    발표자

    Get out of get.

    00:29:39

    Jack

    Off my yard and shake my cane at them.

    00:29:41

    Xochitl

    Yeah, you know, I I I'm not a fan of carolers either. I I the interruption, you know, I think would be a really funny comedy sketch is if you're like, in there arguing with your family and Carol or, like, knock on the door and you have to, like, open the door and like, stop. Yeah, you have to, like, stop for through it.

    00:29:56

    Jack

    What? What do you want?

    00:30:01

    Jack

    Hack the horse with balls of Holly. Shut up.

    00:30:05

    Xochitl

    You hear like glass breaking in the.

    00:30:07

    Xochitl

    Background people like this fighting.

    00:30:07

    Jack

    Yeah, yeah.

    00:30:09

    Xochitl

    I mean, yeah, the intrusion aspect is something that's hard, especially because I think American culture is very individualistic and we don't like, have community in the same way that other cultures do. And I think we.

    00:30:24

    Xochitl

    I I mean, I'm not ********.

    00:30:25

    Xochitl

    On your perspective, I have the same.

    00:30:26

    Xochitl

    Perspective as you I don't want anyone like knocking on my door.

    00:30:29

    Xochitl

    I probably won't answer and.

    00:30:34

    Xochitl

    We don't like, we don't really have that kind of of community aspect and it does feel like an intrusion and you have to suffer through this and then oftentimes part of the tradition is like, you have to offer them like hot chocolate or something to drink.

    00:30:50

    Jack

    Yeah, right. Yeah, some some piggy pudding, yeah.

    00:30:51

    Xochitl

    And then I'll standing around.

    00:30:54

    Jack

    And I'm.

    00:30:55

    발표자

    Like I don't even.

    00:30:55

    Jack

    Know what figgy pudding is? I'm sorry. Like I've never seen it. I've never had it before.

    00:31:03

    Jack

    I couldn't pick a fig out of a police lineup. Probably so.

    00:31:11

    Jack

    Yeah, get off my lawn, you carolers.

    00:31:14

    Jack

    What else is?

    00:31:14

    Jack

    There. What? What's another like horrible Christmas tradition?

    00:31:14

    Xochitl

    Yeah, that is.

    00:31:18

    Jack

    I I I. I'll. I'll.

    00:31:19

    발표자

    Right.

    00:31:20

    Jack

    Give you an example, I have one. I think that you would agree with is like I think this like this idea of parents that just go way.

    00:31:28

    Jack

    Over the top.

    00:31:28

    Jack

    With presents is just is getting out of hand like.

    00:31:33

    Jack

    You know.

    00:31:36

    Jack

    It's like keeping up.

    00:31:38

    Jack

    With The Smiths, we say, right, that expression or.

    00:31:41

    Xochitl

    Like keeping up with the Joneses, you mean?

    00:31:43

    Jack

    As Joe Jones.

    00:31:44

    Jack

    Is sorry not The Smiths. I'm thinking of something else. Maybe I'm thinking of the movie. Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Yeah. Keeping up with the Joneses. That's what I meant to say. It's the the idea that you have to, like, match what your neighbor's doing and do a little bit better. Just, just just to prove to everyone watching how.

    00:31:49

    Xochitl

    You probably are.

    00:32:04

    Jack

    How well you're doing, you know, as far as like, financial?

    00:32:08

    Jack

    Really being financially successful and so you know, I got my kids, an Xbox and new, you know, video game, PlayStation and Ohh well then I got mine, the newer one and you know.

    00:32:23

    Jack

    There's there's one up 11.

    00:32:25

    Jack

    Upsmanship, I don't. I don't like it.

    00:32:29

    Jack

    I I feel like the Christmas has just become and this has been for a long time, way too consumer based, you know, it's just it's all about consumerism. How much can we consume and and stuff that will be in a closet two months from now.

    00:32:47

    Jack

    No, just collecting dust. Just jump.

    00:32:51

    Jack

    And I that that's.

    00:32:53

    Jack

    That's one aspect of of Christmas that I really I I don't know. I I just, it's it's really gotten out of out of control I think. So I I don't like that aspect of of the of the Christmas. I I want I want to get back to to a more.

    00:33:13

    Jack

    Traditional approach to it, which is the the family time it's, you know, a time to not work a time to decompress, spend time with family and really make connections. And like what you said, you're always about the experience presence.

    00:33:31

    Jack

    Why not do something like that, like go skiing or do something as a family and use the money to like do something instead of just buy something. Just always buying dumb stuff.

    00:33:44

    Jack

    Plastic garbage that's gonna end up in the middle of the ocean. A year and a half from now, you know.

    00:33:51

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:33:52

    Jack

    Yeah, that's my. I'm on my I'm on my soapbox this morning.

    00:33:56

    Xochitl

    I you know, I agree. I agree. Because as you know, I'm a huge proponent of the experience gift. I think experience is there's so much more valuable to us than.

    00:34:08

    Xochitl

    And item like actually getting physical material goods and those memories are something you get to keep forever and in its value only increases with time. Looking back and with the junk you get on Christmas, it's like, OK, well, I'm 30 years, it's going to be any good or.

    00:34:28

    Xochitl

    In you know in 20 in just five years now with with planned OPS leases is probably going to.

    00:34:33

    Xochitl

    Be in the trash.

    00:34:34

    Jack

    I have a Nintendo Wii. It's just collecting dust.

    00:34:38

    Xochitl

    Yep, we gotta pee.

    00:34:38

    Jack

    No. Yeah.

    00:34:39

    Xochitl

    As well, it also collects stuff. We gotta wee for Christmas one.

    00:34:42

    Xochitl

    Year it's collecting dust. We barely we we didn't play it that much to be honest. At the time there weren't that many games for it in the US and like I don't know, I just there's I think.

    00:35:00

    Xochitl

    If I ever have kids, I would like to include them on what would they like to have for Christmas? What would they like to do? You know, if they want some juncture, maybe they can have some junk, but like, wouldn't you rather travel or would you rather go on a ski trip or would you rather?

    00:35:21

    Xochitl

    Go. You know, do something else and and spend that time together and that money more wisely.

    00:35:30

    Xochitl

    Then yeah, they're buying a bunch of junk. I actually haven't gotten presents for anyone this year, and I and I don't want presents from anyone either. I have enough stuff. I just don't want more stuff. I mean, there's.

    00:35:43

    Xochitl

    A couple things.

    00:35:44

    Xochitl

    That people in my life like can need that I'm like oh.

    00:35:46

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I'll get them that.

    00:35:48

    Xochitl

    But like.

    00:35:51

    Xochitl

    If I already have enough things, I don't want more clothes. I don't want like physical items, especially in someone who travels so much it just clutters up your space and.

    00:36:02

    Xochitl

    I don't have like the.

    00:36:04

    Xochitl

    The space to be storing perpetually, storing tons and tons of clothing items. So.

    00:36:09

    Jack

    Right.

    00:36:11

    Jack

    And I find that I I wear the same.

    00:36:15

    Jack

    Thing over and over again anyway, like the the of of my clothing choices.

    00:36:20

    Jack

    I there's a very narrow scope of what I will wear anyway.

    00:36:24

    Jack

    I I mean, I I spent a lot of my time.

    00:36:26

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:36:28

    Jack

    Just at home wearing like Adidas, an Adidas tracksuit, you know it's like.

    00:36:33

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:36:34

    Jack

    If I'd have.

    00:36:34

    Jack

    Known. That's all I'd like. I would have just bought like 5 track suits in every color of the rainbow. And that's that's all I'm going to wear.

    00:36:41

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:36:45

    Jack

    UM.

    00:36:46

    Jack

    Yeah, it's very strange. Why? How we collect stuff that we think we need and then you start to look, go through your stuff and you're like, wow, I I I don't need any of this stuff. I just.

    00:36:59

    Jack

    So I I'm.

    00:37:01

    Jack

    I think the consumerism is 1. You know terrible aspect of.

    00:37:06

    Jack

    Christmas, the the and you know.

    00:37:08

    Jack

    It's been like that for.

    00:37:11

    Jack

    I don't know, 50 years, probably, maybe longer, but it's. But it just seems to get more out of control every every decade. You know, it just gets ridiculous.

    00:37:23

    Jack

    UM.

    00:37:24

    Jack

    And yeah, the other one was, I guess I was, I'm really anti caroling, although compared to consumerism. I'll I'll take caroling over consumerism.

    00:37:37

    Xochitl

    Any day I for me, I guess mine are.

    00:37:43

    Xochitl

    My tradition that I really don't like is in Mexico. There's something called Christmas like salad. I don't know why it's called this. It's a soup, not a salad to begin with. And it's.

    00:37:56

    Xochitl

    It's cold, sweet beet juice.

    00:38:01

    Xochitl

    And that's like the base for the soup. So like bright red and inside it has like chunks of.

    00:38:09

    Xochitl

    Fruit like apples, oranges, jicama and then it has.

    00:38:15

    Xochitl

    Like candied peanuts floating in it too.

    00:38:19

    Jack

    Well, why not at this point?

    00:38:21

    Xochitl

    Yeah, right. And a couple of.

    00:38:23

    Jack

    When it's not there, yeah.

    00:38:25

    Xochitl

    Yeah, a couple other things I don't remember. And and I've just hated it ever since I was a child. I don't think there'll ever be a time where my taste buds will actually like this. And my mom makes a big old pot of it every year. When I was a kid, she would force me to eat a certain amount of it, and I would.

    00:38:43

    Xochitl

    It would be so hard not to barf because it was just the, you know, beat. Jews just doesn't work. It's like.

    00:38:49

    Jack

    You lost me. You lost me at beach juice. To be honest. Like after that. It didn't matter. What was it? It you could be gold bar gold bullion in there. And I don't care after.

    00:39:00

    Xochitl

    That's how I felt. I did not want especially sweet beet juice as like a base it.

    00:39:05

    Xochitl

    Was just it's so.

    00:39:06

    Xochitl

    Bad and and I've never liked this, and my father actually really likes it for some bizarre reason.

    00:39:12

    Jack

    Yeah. Dad's always like that weird have strange palettes like, yeah.

    00:39:18

    Xochitl

    Yeah, they have weird *****, but weird that taste buds for sure but.

    00:39:24

    Xochitl

    I just.

    00:39:26

    Xochitl

    That's probably the worst tradition I can think of is.

    00:39:30

    Xochitl

    Is that and then another I'll I'll add in a little another one here and the last one for me. I think it's having to see family that you don't want to see. And I think this is changing with each generation and my generation does this less now.

    00:39:47

    Xochitl

    But just the idea of how packing your kids up and forcing them to go see Grandma and Grandpa or you know, and it's kind of a time we have such little time off these days, so little vacation time and.

    00:40:03

    Xochitl

    It just feels like it'd be so great to be able to spend that time decompressing or traveling or doing something that you want to do, and instead we spend it seeing family that we sometimes don't even want to see.

    00:40:18

    Xochitl

    Yeah, for real and family, that doesn't necessarily see eye to eye with us or doesn't respect us.

    00:40:28

    Xochitl

    It can be demoralizing to have to spend that little time off seeing people that you don't want to see.

    00:40:34

    Xochitl

    In the first place.

    00:40:36

    Jack

    Yeah. No, that's that's a good point. You know, I don't have that problem. I live in South.

    00:40:40

    Jack

    Korea all.

    00:40:40

    Jack

    Family live in America, so I I never see them, but I know that several of them will not speak to me because of our political differences. And so, you know, it would be.

    00:40:55

    Jack

    Very awkward to try.

    00:40:56

    Jack

    And a have a a a Christmas holiday get together because I know that, you know eventually.

    00:41:06

    Jack

    The conversation will go to politics and I'll express my opinions and they'll, you know, denounce them as.

    00:41:17

    Jack

    Evil and it'll be he'll turn into a huge a huge fight, a huge argument. So yeah, it's it's funny how families are kind of split right now over the very.

    00:41:33

    Jack

    In English, we say polarized political landscape in America.

    00:41:40

    Jack

    And so I I yeah, I I I think you're right like why, why put yourself through that it's like.

    00:41:48

    Jack

    Be because it's a tradition.

    00:41:50

    Jack

    It's like, well, that's a dumb reason to do something you don't want.

    00:41:54

    Jack

    To do you know.

    00:41:56

    Jack

    It's just out of tradition. It's like, well, make a new tradition.

    00:42:01

    Jack

    All right, my new tradition is not putting myself through that painful experience and uh, going on a ski vacation with my, you know, best friend or something. Whatever. You know, there's, there's, I, I think we get, we get stuck in these these ideas like you.

    00:42:18

    Jack

    We have to do it.

    00:42:20

    Jack

    But why?

    00:42:22

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:42:23

    Jack

    It's not making anyone happy. That's the and the whole point of it is to be joyful and and happy holidays. But if if you, if you're not, if you don't want to be around certain family members, why put yourself in that situation so?

    00:42:39

    Jack

    Yeah, it's it's a. It's an interesting thing. I I think like you said, I think younger generations are starting to go. You know what? I get very little time off. I'm not even going to go home for Christmas. I'm going to spend it with my friends or with my boyfriend, my girlfriend, or whatever. My significant other. We're going to make our own traditions and.

    00:42:59

    Jack

    The heck with the all all the the.

    00:43:02

    Jack

    Old traditions from the 1980s or the 1990s.

    00:43:06

    Jack

    When we don't have to do that anymore and I respect people to do that, I I like that.

    00:43:13

    Xochitl

    Yeah. So Jack's moving on.

    00:43:20

    Xochitl

    I have some other gifts or that type questions.

    00:43:24

    Jack

    Now, yeah, OK.

    00:43:26

    Xochitl

    Which do you prefer? The Grinch movie?

    00:43:29

    Xochitl

    The Grinch cartoon or the new animated Grinch movie, I would guess which of all the Grinch series or movies do you prefer?

    00:43:39

    Jack

    OK, so I.

    00:43:40

    Jack

    Saw the 1969 one. I think it's I I can't remember what year it was, but it's the old Grinch cartoon. It's about 1/2 an hour long. It's about 30 minutes.

    00:43:50

    Jack

    Or 25 minutes long. Then there's the Grinch movie with Jim Carrey, which is a full feature length movie, and it's a live, you know, live action movie of The Grinch. And then they also recently released a kind of Pixar. I don't know if it was Pixar, but like.

    00:44:09

    Jack

    The CG animated Grinch movie.

    00:44:12

    Xochitl

    Yep, I saw that.

    00:44:14

    Jack

    OK. And I never, I haven't seen that one because.

    00:44:17

    Xochitl

    It's not part of it. I've turned it off after a while. I didn't like it.

    00:44:20

    Jack

    Yeah, it looked boring to me and it was like I I think the perfect length for the Grinch story is about 20 minutes or 25 minutes, which and so the Grinch cartoon, I love the animation. It's very loyal to the book, Doctor Seuss's animated style.

    00:44:39

    Jack

    It's it's got a great message. It's funny. It's got really good music. It's got the whole thing. So, and it's also creepy.

    00:44:49

    Jack

    And my my.

    00:44:50

    Jack

    Daughter used to be very scared of.

    00:44:52

    Jack

    The Grinch from that cartoon.

    00:44:55

    Jack

    Because he does look very creepy.

    00:44:58

    Xochitl

    He doesn't.

    00:44:58

    Jack

    That's not as creepy as.

    00:45:00

    Jack

    The Jim Carrey one that's even worse.

    00:45:03

    Xochitl

    Right. The one slur like is the one that got me for Doctor Seuss. I had a dream that the one slur was choking me when I was about like 8 years old. And after that, I never wanted to. I never wanted to read The Lorax again, which is another famous Doctor Seuss story. And I I love The Lorax. Prior to that, I would force my.

    00:45:23

    Xochitl

    I would force anyone who would offer to read to me to read me The Lorax as a child.

    00:45:29

    Jack

    Yes. Again, conservation story, a story of conservation and and you know a great message, but done in a in a super creative way that's this amazing.

    00:45:41

    Xochitl

    Yeah, a very, very creative and fun way.

    00:45:44

    Jack

    Yeah, they they tried to make that into a movie recently too, and it didn't really work again. Like it, it doesn't quite do it.

    00:45:53

    Xochitl

    Yeah, it's like they.

    00:45:54

    Xochitl

    Kind of messing it up. It just doesn't work the same.

    00:45:59

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I I actually am going to go a little against the grain and say my favorite of all the Grinch.

    00:46:06

    Xochitl

    Remastering stations or whatever, it's just the original story.

    00:46:10

    Xochitl

    I just. Nothing beats.

    00:46:13

    Xochitl

    You know, as a kid sitting in, you know, your parents laugh or whatever, having them read you, the Grinch, and just following along with the illustrations, the original illustrations, which are very well done, and you kind of imagine all the different foods they talk about and.

    00:46:30

    Xochitl

    Well, you know and and the Grinch and what he's like. And it just like, nothing beats how vivid A child's imagination is. And I think that that's something really special. So I think for me personally, I would have my kids read the story. I would read it to my kids because.

    00:46:46

    Xochitl

    It's just such a special.

    00:46:49

    Xochitl

    Little story.

    00:46:50

    Jack

    Yeah, go to the source. Yeah. I I think you're probably right. I mean, I can't argue with that. I think the Grinch cartoon from the 1960s is is the second best choice. But yeah, I think reading the story.

    00:47:07

    Jack

    Is is the best?

    00:47:09

    Jack

    Especially when you're.

    00:47:10

    Xochitl

    And I mean.

    00:47:11

    Xochitl

    Ohh sorry, didn't mean to yeah check.

    00:47:12

    Jack

    When you're a.

    00:47:12

    Jack

    Child I. It's the best. It's great.

    00:47:14

    Xochitl

    Yeah, for sure. I I was gonna chime in and say as an adult, I actually watched the Jim Carrey one, but they did not see it as a child. I saw it.

    00:47:27

    Xochitl

    And seeing it as an adult.

    00:47:31

    Xochitl

    It is pretty funny, at least to me, so I did enjoy it. I mean, Jim Carrey kind of has a really physical comedy aspect, so he's kind of wacky, you know, and I think the whole concept worked pretty well with his acting and.

    00:47:48

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I got some laugh out of me seeing it as an adult. I mean as a.

    00:47:51

    Xochitl

    Kid, I think it's like.

    00:47:54

    Xochitl

    It's not going to be as funnier as like.

    00:47:59

    Xochitl

    Entertaining, maybe, but.

    00:48:02

    Xochitl

    As a as an adult I it's kind of similar to watching ELF or something. I really enjoyed it.

    00:48:07

    Jack

    Yeah, yeah, the movie elf is probably one of the best Christmas movies of the last 20 years.

    00:48:14

    Jack

    25 years, yeah, yeah.

    00:48:14

    Xochitl

    Yeah, that is a great Christmas movie.

    00:48:17

    Xochitl

    Yeah. And then Speaking of the Grinch as.

    00:48:22

    Xochitl

    Our listeners may or not.

    00:48:23

    Xochitl

    Or may not be familiar with the Grinch's heart grew three times at Christmas, meaning that he became a much better, warmer, kinder and more empathetic person by the.

    00:48:35

    Xochitl

    End of the story.

    00:48:37

    Xochitl

    So Jack, what makes?

    00:48:39

    Xochitl

    Your heart grow three times during the holiday season.

    00:48:44

    Jack

    Ohh that's a good question. What makes my heart go, Teresa, I'm.

    00:48:49

    Jack

    I'm going to go back to uh, I'm going to go back to the cartoons.

    00:48:55

    Jack

    Because there's one cartoon that makes my heart grow 3 sizes and you, you know this one. It's the Charlie Brown Christmas.

    00:49:06

    Xochitl

    Uh-huh. Never thought all the.

    00:49:07

    Jack

    Have you? Oh, you've never seen the whole thing? Oh, my gosh. OK, this one is.

    00:49:13

    Jack

    It's got the.

    00:49:15

    Jack

    It's got the story and at the end when all the you know, all the kids are singing around the the little Christmas tree that Charlie Brown had bought.

    00:49:25

    Jack

    It was a.

    00:49:26

    Jack

    Such a sad tree, but they dressed it up and and made it look nice.

    00:49:30

    Jack

    Sir. And then they were all singing. I don't know. I I really love that. I think because I I watched it with my daughter when she was young. I would I I somehow downloaded it off of the Internet like 20 years ago or something and or 15 years ago. And so every Christmas, my daughter and I would watch this.

    00:49:52

    Jack

    It's kind of a tradition. We'd watch the Grinch. She didn't like the Grinch that scared her when she was young, but she did love the Charlie Brown Christmas, especially the music.

    00:50:05

    Jack

    And and then that story always kind of gets me, you know, it always kinds of it kind of tugs at my heartstrings and so it kind of makes me my heart grow 3 sizes larger.

    00:50:20

    Jack

    During the holiday season so that I I've kind of, I kind of tightened the our last section to this this last segment here. What about you, what makes your heart grow 3 sizes?

    00:50:33

    Xochitl

    Well, I think.

    00:50:34

    Xochitl

    This Christmas it was. I was just in the shop with my aunt. We were getting like some last minute Christmas lights for the for the.

    00:50:45

    Xochitl

    Bush is outside because some of ours burned out and getting a couple other things we needed at Target, and I walked past these little kids, really little kids who I think were with their grandparents and kids must have been like three and four or something. And the little boy was asking.

    00:51:04

    Xochitl

    You know. Oh, well, you know, if we do this, how will Santa know that this one's for me? And how will Santa know? Like he's asking how Santa would know or be able to figure out.

    00:51:14

    Xochitl

    Certain things and.

    00:51:17

    Xochitl

    It's so cute because you know, as an adult, we know that Santa isn't real.

    00:51:24

    Xochitl

    And it, but it's like such a joy to hear.

    00:51:29

    Xochitl

    Children like.

    00:51:31

    Xochitl

    Caught up in that.

    00:51:33

    Xochitl

    Kind of fantasy of Santa.

    00:51:37

    Xochitl

    It's just so it's so.

    00:51:38

    Xochitl

    Cute and like warm and and fuzzy.

    00:51:42

    Xochitl

    And you hope that they it's almost like it's just the Christmas magic. It's just so real when you're a kid and you're, like, waiting for something to calm and you're so excited you can't even sleep. It's just like the world is such a great place when you're.

    00:51:58

    Jack

    I know, I know that.

    00:52:02

    Jack

    I I missed that that your eyes just wide open at midnight on or, you know, 1159 on Christmas Eve because.

    00:52:11

    Jack

    You're just too.

    00:52:11

    Jack

    Excited to to go to sleep.

    00:52:15

    Xochitl

    I wish you could bottle that.

    00:52:16

    Jack

    And yet you still fall asleep. And then you wake up in the morning and you rub your eyes and you're like, and then you remember it's Christmas morning and you run to the tree. I mean, how great is that? That is the greatest.

    00:52:30

    Jack

    That memory also makes my heart grow 33 sizes, just remembering what it's like to be a kid and then remembering what it was like for my daughter to wake up on Christmas and trying to give that to her. That was.

    00:52:42

    Xochitl

    How did your daughter find out Santa wasn't real?

    00:52:45

    Jack

    Uh, my wife said that. I just.

    00:52:46

    Jack

    Told her one.

    00:52:47

    Jack

    Day and uh, I don't remember doing that, but I probably did. I.

    00:52:50

    Xochitl

    I have to.

    00:52:51

    Xochitl

    Be brutal.

    00:52:52

    Jack

    I know, I just. I just said like, Oh yeah, he's not real.

    00:52:57

    발표자

    Yeah, I don't.

    00:52:58

    Jack

    Know I don't know.

    00:52:59

    Jack

    Why I did that? I.

    00:53:00

    Jack

    Think I felt like she was.

    00:53:01

    Jack

    Old enough to where it was like.

    00:53:03

    Jack

    You know the the the mystery is, is gone. Now it's, you know.

    00:53:09

    Xochitl

    How old do you think she was?

    00:53:12

    Xochitl

    When that happened?

    00:53:14

    Jack

    According to my wife, she was probably.

    00:53:17

    Jack

    9 or 10 but I how about think? Maybe she was like 11 or something. Me a little bit older, you know, in in elementary school it wasn't like she was four or five. And I just, you know, ruined.

    00:53:24

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:53:29

    Xochitl

    Right. Ruined the match.

    00:53:30

    Jack

    It for.

    00:53:30

    Jack

    Her it was getting close to the time where you start to, you know, they start to hear rumors and innuendo around the.

    00:53:38

    Jack

    The school that uh, Santa may not be real.

    00:53:41

    Jack

    So I just kind.

    00:53:42

    발표자

    Right.

    00:53:43

    Jack

    Of told her. Yeah, it's not real.

    00:53:45

    Xochitl

    You wanted her to hear it from.

    00:53:47

    Jack

    You. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I want her to know that I was the one that stayed up till 2:30 in the morning trying to put the, the, the, the kitchen set together. It was very difficult. I was like, sweating. And it took you needed.

    00:54:05

    Jack

    All these crazy tools to and it would.

    00:54:07

    Jack

    Weigh a ton.

    00:54:08

    Jack

    And you know, it's like a A A.

    00:54:11

    Jack

    Fake kitchen kitchenette.

    00:54:12

    Jack

    You know, area with a refrigerator and all this stuff.

    00:54:16

    Jack

    And ohh man.

    00:54:18

    Jack

    Those days, building those toys, I I do not miss that at all.

    00:54:25

    Xochitl

    Right. Yeah. Well, that's wild. I don't know how. I think my dad also just told me.

    00:54:29

    Xochitl

    Saying I wasn't real.

    00:54:30

    Xochitl

    I was like, I was like ohh. I was like 13 though. But it's not that I didn't think Santa wasn't real already. It was like my sister was older than me and she kept pretending Santa is real so she could keep writing her list to Santa and just like, have my.

    00:54:44

    Xochitl

    Parents give her presents and. Yeah, and so she.

    00:54:47

    Jack

    She's smart.

    00:54:52

    Xochitl

    Was like keep writing your list to Santa and so then we just kept doing that. My dad I think was fed up with us doing that. So he just told that Santa wasn't real. I was like 12 or I must been 12 or 13.

    00:55:00

    Xochitl

    And she was like, 15 or 16/12/15?

    00:55:03

    Jack

    He's like, what do you?

    00:55:03

    Jack

    Want just tell me what you want.

    00:55:06

    Xochitl

    Grow up or whatever, but even.

    00:55:10

    Xochitl

    When I was like 10 or 11, I think I still believed in Santa because.

    00:55:18

    Xochitl

    I remember asking Santa Claus for an older brother because I was tired of my sister picking on me and I was like, you know, if I.

    00:55:23

    Xochitl

    Had an older sibling, I bet that would fix it.

    00:55:26

    Xochitl

    Then have someone to pick on.

    00:55:28

    Xochitl

    Her. So that was my thinking and.

    00:55:32

    Xochitl

    I think it was like probably 10 or so, and I thought of that genius plan.

    00:55:35

    Jack

    Your dad said like I can't deliver.

    00:55:37

    Jack

    This one. So yeah, sorry.

    00:55:40

    Xochitl

    Yeah, younger sibling, maybe older siblings and out of the question.

    00:55:42

    발표자

    And it's not, yeah.

    00:55:43

    Jack

    Yeah, yeah, younger might be possible, but older.

    00:55:46

    Jack

    We're not adopting a A.

    00:55:50

    Jack

    A kid, yeah.

    00:55:51

    Xochitl

    Right. Adopting a child. So yeah, that.

    00:55:53

    Xochitl

    Was all the question.

    00:55:55

    Xochitl

    All right, listeners.

    00:55:55

    Xochitl

    Will let us know what your favorite holiday traditions are in your neck of the woods. And yeah, tell us what you think about our holiday traditions here in the United States. And and yeah. What are some of your favorite holiday movies? Are there certain foods they eat during this time of year?

    00:56:17

    Xochitl

    You know what is something that really warms your heart during this holiday season? Let us know at AZ englishpodcast@gmail.com. Drop us a comment on our website, azenglishpodcast.com and join our WhatsApp Group A-Z English podcast and our WeChat Group and we will see you guys next time.

    00:56:38

    Jack

    Bye bye.


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  • The Jack & 'Chill Podcast 04 | Thanksgiving

    In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack discuss American Thanksgiving traditions.

    Transcript:

    00:00:00

    Xochitl

    You are listening to the Jack and Chill podcast.

    00:00:13

    Xochitl

    Alright, Jack, today we are going to be talking about Thanksgiving, which our listeners may or may not know is a family holiday celebrated here in the US.

    00:00:23

    Xochitl

    It traditionally was supposed to commemorate.

    00:00:27

    Xochitl

    Sharing between the pilgrims and Native Americans, of course, we know that.

    00:00:32

    Xochitl

    That's not historically accurate at all.

    00:00:35

    Jack

    Right. Or it's a very oversimplified description of the situation, yeah.

    00:00:41

    Xochitl

    The situation but.

    00:00:44

    Xochitl

    Today, it's kind of divorced from its original meaning mostly, and it's kind of just a family holiday where you eat food together. So.

    00:00:53

    Jack

    Right.

    00:00:56

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I want to ask you, our viewers may or may not know there's some typical things you usually eat during Thanksgiving. I would say Turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, gravy.

    00:01:06

    Jack

    Mashed mashed. Yeah.

    00:01:12

    Xochitl

    I think those are the ones that like you basically can't skip.

    00:01:16

    Jack

    Right.

    00:01:17

    Xochitl

    And and then each family has. Sorry, go ahead.

    00:01:18

    발표자 3

    It's just.

    00:01:21

    Jack

    No, I was going to say that's exactly right. If there's no stuffing that it doesn't really. It's like that's one really important component of, like, Turkey Mashed potato, stuffing and cranberry sauce like you.

    00:01:33

    Jack

    Have to have.

    00:01:33

    Xochitl

    Like cranberry sauce gravy gotta have that.

    00:01:36

    Xochitl

    And then most people have something green, like a green beans or a salad or some kind of green side. But I would feel those are like the.

    00:01:44

    Xochitl

    Staples. And then each family has things that pretty much just their family makes. Oh, sweet potato casserole or sweet potatoes. And some preparation is another big popular food. Yeah.

    00:01:49

    Jack

    Right.

    00:01:55

    Xochitl

    I would say for the ones that my family makes, it's Kush which is like a cornbread dish with hard boiled eggs and green onion.

    00:02:06

    Xochitl

    And then oysters, which is like oysters, literally strained canned oysters in a casserole dish with like, a bread crumb topping.

    00:02:18

    Xochitl

    It's really good, you know both.

    00:02:18

    발표자 3

    OK.

    00:02:20

    Xochitl

    Of them sound weird, but they're both really delicious.

    00:02:22

    Jack

    Yeah, yeah. I mean we, our, our weird one was lesa because we're the Scandinavian, right? My, my fan no left side is like a a potato pancake with just it just literally has butter on it and then sugar and then you roll it, roll it up. Yeah. I mean it's it's.

    00:02:40

    Xochitl

    That sounds good.

    00:02:44

    Jack

    It's full on, like causes diabetes, you.

    00:02:47

    Jack

    Know what I?

    00:02:47

    Jack

    Mean like you could trace it right back to to that. But but it's so good. It tastes so good.

    00:02:48

    발표자

    Right.

    00:02:55

    Xochitl

    Right. So my oh, and my thing is ever since I started making the Thanksgiving spread pretty much on my own, I started doing this since I was about 24 every year, I pretty much make the whole spread on my own. This year, my mom made the oysters, which were probably the best thing, actually.

    00:03:16

    Xochitl

    Besides that, I've pretty much made everything else myself.

    00:03:20

    Xochitl

    And ever since I started making this spread myself, I only make fried chicken instead of Turkey.

    00:03:26

    Jack

    OK, wow. Alright. A substitution. A different bird. Yeah.

    00:03:30

    발표자

    Yes. Yeah.

    00:03:32

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I just Turkey is like a lot for a kind of smaller family gathering. I don't like the flavor as much. And then for like, one person cooking most of the main dishes, it's really hard for, like, one person to prepare the Turkey on their own pretty much.

    00:03:48

    Jack

    And everyone likes fried chicken.

    00:03:49

    Xochitl

    Is this something?

    00:03:51

    Jack

    I mean you can.

    00:03:52

    Xochitl

    Ohh yeah.

    00:03:53

    Xochitl

    Come on.

    00:03:54

    발표자 3

    You know.

    00:03:55

    Xochitl

    Can't go wrong.

    00:03:57

    Jack

    For for I prefer the Turkey like I'm a I'm a purist. OK, so.

    00:03:57

    Xochitl

    How about you do you?

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    발표자

    Sorry, go ahead.

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    Xochitl

    You're freaking furious. Wow. Betrayed.

    00:04:06

    Jack

    I'm a I'm a.

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    Jack

    Thanksgiving purist like I I need my my Turkey. I I, I and I'm I'm the worst. Like I'm I'm such a typical American that I like the breast like that. You know the white meat which is like everyone knows it.

    00:04:22

    발표자 3

    No, you betrayed.

    00:04:25

    Jack

    That's the least flavor and the and it's the driest part.

    00:04:29

    Jack

    Of the of the bird.

    00:04:31

    Jack

    But I it's just like a tradition, like I when I was a kid, you know, we were picky. We I didn't want the dark meat. I wanted only the, you know, pure the muscle part, you know, just the the whitest of the white meat and a big old slice of it, you know.

    00:04:31

    발표자 3

    That's the.

    00:04:51

    Jack

    Heaping slice of of of dry as.

    00:04:55

    Jack

    White, white meat. Turkey. Yeah. Turkey breast.

    00:04:59

    Xochitl

    Yeah. Yeah, I'm.

    00:05:00

    Xochitl

    The opposite, even as a kid, I always like dark meat, so I'd always want the Turkey leg. And now that I can make it on myself, I'm like, why would I even make Turkey when there's better proteins out there like fried chicken?

    00:05:04

    Jack

    Right.

    00:05:12

    Xochitl

    Yeah, just and.

    00:05:13

    Xochitl

    Then you can.

    00:05:14

    Xochitl

    It's so easy to make gravy with the fried chicken.

    00:05:17

    Xochitl

    Like so. That's just it just knocks out two birds with one stone. Haha. Pun intended.

    00:05:24

    Xochitl

    And yeah, so.

    00:05:25

    Xochitl

    To me. So. So you're on the opposite.

    00:05:28

    Xochitl

    OK, other unpopular Thanksgiving opinion? I did not know. I was on the unpopular end of this one.

    00:05:35

    Xochitl

    I prefer homemade cranberry sauce to canned. I won't even eat the canned stuff. It's nasty.

    00:05:40

    Jack

    No, no, no, no.

    00:05:41

    Xochitl

    How about you?

    00:05:42

    Jack

    I'm again. I'm a purist. I.

    00:05:44

    Jack

    It has to come out of a can. It has to make the like plopping sound.

    00:05:48

    Jack

    You know where you like it, kind of like.

    00:05:53

    Jack

    You know, it falls on the plate. Like if it doesn't make that kind of weird sound when it comes out of the can as it slides out of the can. I'm not eating it. I mean, I'll eat it. Of course I.

    00:06:03

    Xochitl

    Oh my God.

    00:06:04

    Jack

    Would eat it. I'm I'm not.

    00:06:05

    Jack

    I'm not rude, but but I prefer that kind of Jelly cranberry sauce.

    00:06:11

    Jack

    From the can.

    00:06:13

    Jack

    And I don't know. For me, it's like the perfect combination to the kind of salty, savory gravy and mashed potatoes. Then you get that super sweet, almost like a gel, gelatin, kind of cranberry sauce, you know, I know it's really crazy.

    00:06:30

    Xochitl

    Oh my.

    00:06:31

    Xochitl

    God, so I lost.

    00:06:33

    Jack

    Right.

    00:06:34

    Xochitl

    So much respect for.

    00:06:35

    Xochitl

    You I cannot. My dad always.

    00:06:38

    Xochitl

    Made it from scratch and I started making it from scratch. It's so easy. You just open a couple of bags of crap.

    00:06:44

    Xochitl

    Berries with a little bit.

    00:06:46

    Xochitl

    Of water, boil it in a pot with some sugar and I like to add in a little bit of I squeeze half an orange in there.

    00:06:53

    Xochitl

    At the end.

    00:06:54

    Jack

    Oh, a little citrus, a little little, a little zest.

    00:06:57

    Jack

    To it or something a little.

    00:06:58

    Xochitl

    Yeah, a little citrus zest and umm, it is pretty sweet. I try to add enough sugar so that it's not.

    00:07:05

    Xochitl

    Too sour and try.

    00:07:07

    Xochitl

    To make it.

    00:07:07

    Xochitl

    Eat, of course. Cranberries themselves kind of have a naturally bitter sour flavor, like they're also bitter.

    00:07:14

    Xochitl

    You know, but I I just prefer that so much that I honestly, I the canned stuff makes me gag. I hate the texture.

    00:07:22

    Jack

    I love that texture. It's like Jelly or jello.

    00:07:22

    Xochitl

    And it's like.

    00:07:25

    Xochitl

    Oh God.

    00:07:26

    Jack

    Or something gelatin. I know it's.

    00:07:28

    Jack

    It's some gross too.

    00:07:30

    Xochitl

    Oh my God, no I can't.

    00:07:35

    Xochitl

    Go ahead.

    00:07:35

    Jack

    Well, I'm. I'm just trying to think like, why?

    00:07:37

    Jack

    Do I like?

    00:07:37

    Jack

    It do I like it because it makes me. It's because of sentimentality. Or is it because I actually like the taste? And I think it might be a combination of both it.

    00:07:48

    Jack

    That's what we had when I was growing up. So that's what I want. When I have a Thanksgiving dinner.

    00:07:56

    Jack

    But I wouldn't. You know, I would not be disappointed if someone brought in like a homemade cranberry sauce made from scratch. I mean, I'm not. I'm not in insane person. Like, I would definitely enjoy that and appreciate it. I just. I'm totally satisfied with the can. I guess that.

    00:07:57

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:08:14

    Jack

    And like look.

    00:08:15

    Jack

    Here's the thing about the can.

    00:08:17

    Jack

    It's like.

    00:08:19

    Jack

    It's probably 95% sugar.

    00:08:22

    Jack

    You know, 5% cranberries. You know what I mean? Like, it's probably just a sugar bomb, and that's why it's so sweet. You know, like yours is a much healthier version of it.

    00:08:22

    Xochitl

    It is, it's almost spring.

    00:08:33

    Jack

    You know, and it's probably.

    00:08:34

    Jack

    Got of numerous chemicals in there too. To preserve it, you know, because.

    00:08:39

    Xochitl

    Yeah, to me, get that texture.

    00:08:41

    Jack

    Yeah. Well, the texture that does not exist in.

    00:08:42

    발표자 3

    It's like.

    00:08:44

    Jack

    Nature at all.

    00:08:45

    Xochitl

    Yeah, it's horrible. God congealed.

    00:08:45

    발표자 3

    Just, yeah.

    00:08:48

    Xochitl

    Ohh no, I just can't.

    00:08:49

    Jack

    Yeah. Congeal cranberry juice.

    00:08:49

    Xochitl

    I can't.

    00:08:52

    Xochitl

    Yeah. Oh, my God. No other one. I wanna ask you, Jack.

    00:08:58

    Xochitl

    Pumpkin pie? Is it overrated? And do you prefer another dessert? I didn't make a dessert this year. I had too many other things to do. I personally just. I don't. I didn't want to make pumpkin pie. I was going to use leftover cranberry sauce with apples to make, like, a cranberry apple crumble.

    00:09:16

    발표자 3

    Right.

    00:09:17

    Xochitl

    And I also am thinking I have some cans for like canned pumpkin pie and I was gonna make into like a pumpkin pudding with like layers. You know how people make banana pudding with the layers of cookies. I think I'm gonna make a pumpkin pudding pudding with.

    00:09:35

    Xochitl

    But I just personally don't like pumpkin pie. I feel like the textures texture is always kind of off.

    00:09:41

    Xochitl

    It tastes kind of like tofu or something, and it's like it's not sweet enough. It's just not. It's not.

    00:09:47

    Xochitl

    My cup of.

    00:09:48

    Xochitl

    Tea. How do you feel about it?

    00:09:50

    Jack

    I love pumpkin pie.

    00:09:53

    Xochitl

    We're on opposite, we're on opposite spectrum today.

    00:09:56

    Jack

    We're we're having two completely different meals right now.

    00:10:00

    발표자 3

    Yes. Yeah.

    00:10:03

    Jack

    I. So here's the.

    00:10:03

    Xochitl

    Mine is better. Mine is a better meal.

    00:10:04

    Jack

    Thing when I was a kid, I didn't like pumpkin pie cause I was just like, it's like a it was a vegetable and it's like a vegetable pie, you know, like it.

    00:10:13

    Jack

    It just seemed odd to me because I when I think of pie, I think of fruit pies, right or pecan pie, something like that with with nuts.

    00:10:22

    Xochitl

    And yeah.

    00:10:23

    Jack

    UM, so my mom would always make a pecan pie and A and a pumpkin pie. Or my grandmother would make an apple pie, and I would always choose the apple pie, obviously, because I mean, apple pie is clearly the winner.

    00:10:38

    Xochitl

    I actually don't like apple pie. The texture is nasty to me. It's like hot apples. No thanks.

    00:10:43

    Jack

    Ohh yeah no, I like that too. Yeah, that's that's funny because.

    00:10:46

    Xochitl

    Wow, just like I want to know, at the end of this, all our listeners pause right now and write a comment down below.

    00:10:54

    Xochitl

    Who? This house?

    00:10:54

    Xochitl

    Would you rather eat at mine or Jack? Mine is the right answer. I'll.

    00:10:57

    Xochitl

    Let you guys know.

    00:11:00

    Jack

    If you want, if you want the authentic 1985 American Thanksgiving, you come to my house. But.

    00:11:07

    Xochitl

    Oh my God.

    00:11:08

    Jack

    Social is, you know.

    00:11:09

    Jack

    Younger and you guys are. You know, you've been watching Top Chef for your whole life, you know, so, you know, you guys are like, I'm gonna make a an apple cranberry crumble, you know, with a citrus. Yeah. And.

    00:11:11

    Xochitl

    Do an improved.

    00:11:15

    Xochitl

    That's so true.

    00:11:21

    발표자

    Oh my God, you got me. You got me.

    00:11:27

    Jack

    But I, but I I appreciate I respect it. I I do. I mean, I know that yours culinary yours is a a culinary delight and mine is like a just a traditional kind of gruel like a you know a meal that.

    00:11:43

    Jack

    You know.

    00:11:44

    Xochitl

    You're like big Midwestern energy.

    00:11:47

    Jack

    I do. I I'm.

    00:11:47

    Xochitl

    Like the big white like white.

    00:11:50

    Xochitl

    If you want to like white middle class Midwestern meal, it's like Jack's house is the where it's at.

    00:11:55

    Jack

    Oh my gosh, we are we. We are the epitome of the right white middle class Midwestern, you know, we're big farmers and we like our big birds, you know, like a big Turkey and a giant mountain of mashed potatoes with like, you know, a lava.

    00:12:15

    Jack

    Flow of gravy. You know, coming down that mountain of mashed potatoes with a big old plop of cranberry sauce. And I'm trying to think like, what my.

    00:12:17

    Xochitl

    In the middle.

    00:12:25

    Jack

    My mother used to make.

    00:12:27

    Jack

    This one, you'll know like this is a a traditional 1A sweet potato casserole with marshmallow.

    00:12:34

    Jack

    Melted on the top.

    00:12:36

    Xochitl

    Yes. So my mom and my grandma on my dad's side both make this and I.

    00:12:44

    Xochitl

    I well, my grandma actually has started making it a little differently. She doesn't put the marshmallows on it anymore, but I personally think my sweet potatoes are the best. I mean, I'm kind of arrogant because I definitely think I'm the best cook in the family. My, my grandma actually on my dad's side has some really great recipes. I'm like, I'm gonna hang out around Christmas. I'm definitely gonna collect a bunch.

    00:13:02

    Xochitl

    Of recipes because she has some good ones.

    00:13:05

    Xochitl

    But for me?

    00:13:07

    Xochitl

    I like to make candied yams.

    00:13:09

    Xochitl

    Instead of the sweet potato casserole.

    00:13:11

    Jack

    OK. Yeah, that, that's cool.

    00:13:12

    Xochitl

    And I put.

    00:13:12

    Xochitl

    Like cinnamon and cardamom in it, and it's really good. I I really enjoy it.

    00:13:17

    Jack

    That I would. I would really enjoy that. You know, I I live in Korea now where this. I've never done this before until I lived in Korea. I just eat hate or I like to eat just a plain sweet.

    00:13:32

    Jack

    Yeah, I just put it in the oven. Bake it.

    00:13:36

    Jack

    And I don't add.

    00:13:37

    Jack

    Any sugar I add nothing, and I even eat the skin of it and it's just got lots of fiber and nutrients and you know, it's high in carbohydrates, but.

    00:13:47

    Xochitl

    Yeah, that's popular in Mexico too. There's a thumb up there which is like a guy that sells sweet potatoes, and he goes by and you can hear his sweet potato.

    00:13:57

    Xochitl

    Cart whistling and he goes. Come on, come up.

    00:13:59

    Jack

    Oh, nice.

    00:14:01

    Xochitl

    This and he's.

    00:14:02

    Xochitl

    Like calling out sweet potatoes, sweet potato in that voice and that, like, annoying like, come on. Sounds like that. And people come running out of their houses. Go grab sweet potato. Roasted sweet potato. Yeah.

    00:14:05

    발표자 3

    That's right.

    00:14:09

    발표자

    Yeah, yeah.

    00:14:13

    Jack

    To get a sweet potato.

    00:14:16

    Jack

    I I love them. I think it's great. I mean, you know, it made me think like, why do we?

    00:14:20

    Jack

    Dress up the sweet potato.

    00:14:23

    Jack

    You know, like with with melted, you know, marshmallows.

    00:14:24

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:14:28

    Jack

    On top it's.

    00:14:28

    Xochitl

    Water is.

    00:14:28

    Jack

    Like putting sugar on sugar. You know what I mean? Like it, it doesn't need. Yeah.

    00:14:31

    Xochitl

    Yeah, it's sweet.

    00:14:34

    Xochitl

    I think my.

    00:14:35

    Xochitl

    Theory about why we do that in the US.

    00:14:37

    Xochitl

    Is that our?

    00:14:38

    Xochitl

    Our viewers have never been the US might not know this or our listeners, but I think the produce is a lot less flavorful in the US, which is crazy because the US has optimal growing conditions. But because of how our food supply chain works, we pick most things before they're fully ripe.

    00:14:57

    Xochitl

    And treat them with a bunch of chemicals so they'll last and they'll have a really long shelf life. And so because of this, most things that you're buying like don't have the sweet, the natural sweetness that they would in other.

    00:15:01

    발표자 3

    Right.

    00:15:10

    Xochitl

    Like in Mexico, if you're going to eat a pineapple or strawberry or something, it tastes really sweet. And in Korea as well, if you have strawberries, they're like, really sweet and delicious and succulent. And in the US, you're gonna get this giant strawberry the size of my.

    00:15:23

    Xochitl

    Fist it's going to be so.

    00:15:24

    Jack

    Right. But it tastes like a glass of water, you know.

    00:15:27

    Xochitl

    It's flavorless. It's like it's like chewing on the.

    00:15:30

    Xochitl

    As of fibrous.

    00:15:31

    Xochitl

    Water. It's nasty.

    00:15:33

    Jack

    Right, right. It looks beautiful. Like a a picturesque strawberry from a commercial that it. It tastes like a like you said. A fibrous glass of water. Like it's just got nothing. Yeah.

    00:15:44

    Xochitl

    Yeah, it's nasty.

    00:15:47

    Xochitl

    Yeah. Anyway, I guess those are unpopular food. Well, you have to tell me first before we, before we transition to the next one. What do you like about pumpkin pie? Because I think I.

    00:15:57

    Xochitl

    Used to I.

    00:15:57

    Xochitl

    Used to pretend to like it as a kid because I felt like I.

    00:15:59

    Xochitl

    Was supposed to like.

    00:16:01

    Xochitl

    It and I really didn't because it's kind of.

    00:16:04

    Xochitl

    Bland and texturally it, it tastes like whipped tofu.

    00:16:08

    Xochitl

    And I like pumpkin, can't in Mexico, we have like candied pumpkin. You cut it into slices and you Stew it with a bunch of, like, brown sugar and spices.

    00:16:19

    Xochitl

    And then you just eat. Eat it.

    00:16:21

    Xochitl

    Like that, and it tastes really good.

    00:16:23

    Xochitl

    Because actually the flavor penetrates it fully, but with pumpkin pie, it's like hard to whip it into pie form and have the flavor fully.

    00:16:33

    Xochitl

    It's not like it's.

    00:16:33

    Jack

    Yeah, if you're making it from scratch, you know, like, like there there, you could make it like you can just buy the already whipped up.

    00:16:33

    Xochitl

    Like not speeding much.

    00:16:43

    Jack

    Pumpkin, I don't know what you call, like the filling part, right? You can buy it in.

    00:16:47

    Xochitl

    Yeah, but I'm sure that's how you guys made it back home, right? Because, well, my my dad actually made it from scratch sometimes, and I that was even worse. It tasted like stringing. It's totally. Yeah. Like it isn't worth it. Look, stringy, pumpkin. Ohh. No, I just.

    00:16:51

    Jack

    I'm sure.

    00:16:56

    Jack

    More like pumpkin.

    00:17:03

    Jack

    Don't. Don't use leftover Jackal Lantern.

    00:17:06

    Xochitl

    Then my dad did that. My dad would literally do that would use like leftover Jack Lynch and he would like, freeze it or something and then just like, make like five of the.

    00:17:14

    Xochitl

    Later it was.

    00:17:14

    Xochitl

    Like stringy. Ohh God.

    00:17:16

    Jack

    Yeah, that's right.

    00:17:18

    발표자 3

    What do you?

    00:17:19

    Xochitl

    Yeah. What do you like about pumpkin pie though cause?

    00:17:22

    Xochitl

    I feel like.

    00:17:23

    Xochitl

    You like when you buy it in a can form or you buy it premade from the store. That's like the best version and it's.

    00:17:28

    Xochitl

    Still not good to me.

    00:17:29

    Jack

    Because it's it's loaded with.

    00:17:30

    Jack

    Sugar, I think all of these things are are just completely loaded the sugar. So I I like pumpkin pie because, well, actually I didn't start liking it till.

    00:17:43

    Jack

    I was an adult. It's kind of.

    00:17:44

    Jack

    Like one of those things that I grew into. So I started with.

    00:17:50

    Jack

    You know, eating just apple pie or pecan.

    00:17:53

    Jack

    Pie. When I was a kid.

    00:17:55

    Jack

    And then as an.

    00:17:56

    Jack

    Adult. I'm like I'm going to try a slice of pumpkin pie. I like it with whipped cream on top, which is kind of cheating, right? It's like I. What do I like more? Do I like the pumpkin or do I like the whipped cream? But if you get if you get a a.

    00:18:05

    Xochitl

    Yeah, my sister covers everything.

    00:18:11

    Jack

    If you get whipped cream and pumpkin pie together.

    00:18:13

    Jack

    In one on the spoon.

    00:18:15

    Jack

    Then it's tolerable.

    00:18:19

    Jack

    But like, I think you're right.

    00:18:20

    Jack

    I think pumpkin.

    00:18:21

    Jack

    Pie is like at its best is just tolerable.

    00:18:24

    Xochitl

    It's like mid, you know, slang in mid like it's just in the like mid range like it's not amazing, it's not horrible. It's just mid like the best pumpkin pie is mid to me.

    00:18:34

    Jack

    Right, right. The best one big pie is is is is.

    00:18:38

    Jack

    Not better than the worst blueberry pie, yeah.

    00:18:39

    Xochitl

    Of great.

    00:18:41

    Xochitl

    Yes. Oh, my God. Blueberry pie is my favorite. I like to make that for Christmas though. But yeah, I was gonna. That was.

    00:18:45

    Jack

    Yeah, blueberry pie.

    00:18:47

    Xochitl

    Going to be my other question to you is like, do you eat it loaded with with, with with cream which?

    00:18:52

    Xochitl

    You said you.

    00:18:53

    Xochitl

    Do because my sister. That's how she eats it. She just. She's like eating whipped cream pie with some pumpkin on it. And. And just like at that point, you do, you just like to have an excuse to eat a ton of whip cream that has, like, a slight.

    00:19:08

    Xochitl

    And slavery.

    00:19:11

    Jack

    You know, I I actually.

    00:19:13

    Jack

    I do enjoy it like I like.

    00:19:15

    Jack

    When you when you.

    00:19:16

    Jack

    When you get like.

    00:19:18

    Jack

    Like I said, like a like a spoon of whipped cream and a bit of pumpkin filling and then some of that nice breaded crust.

    00:19:27

    Xochitl

    Yeah, the question is.

    00:19:27

    Jack

    It all in one.

    00:19:28

    Jack

    Bite it is a very.

    00:19:29

    Jack

    Nice like I do like it. I do. It's.

    00:19:32

    Jack

    Like I'll I'll.

    00:19:33

    Jack

    I'll really enjoy a Costco pumpkin pie with my wife, like we'll get the the whipped cream and we'll buy the pumpkin pie and I'll have a slice. You know, every night until it's gone, you know.

    00:19:47

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:19:49

    Jack

    You're right. Like, I mean, if I were, you know, of all the pastries that you could choose in the world, why, why do we choose pumpkin pie? I think again, it's. It goes back to, like, sentimentality. It kind of reminds me of home. It, like, makes me feel like I'm back in America eating a Thanksgiving dessert.

    00:20:09

    Jack

    So it's more like a nostalgic eat than like a ohh this is the taste is wonderful. Like I just love the taste, which is kind of stupid. I mean it's it's a weird thing to eat.

    00:20:21

    Jack

    For nostalgia purposes, then to.

    00:20:24

    Xochitl

    But it's such a.

    00:20:25

    Xochitl

    Specific flavor. It's like of course that it would bring up, because if you're eating like a hot dog, I mean, you can get that anywhere kind.

    00:20:33

    Xochitl

    Of but like.

    00:20:34

    Xochitl

    Or, you know, Mac and cheese, but it's just brings back a certain holiday memory to have the pumpkin pie.

    00:20:41

    발표자 3

    I think that's.

    00:20:42

    Jack

    What it is? I mean, it's like it's like eating a a childhood memory like. But it's the. But The funny thing is I never started eating pumpkin pie till I was an adult. So it's just like, put the smell and and I don't know.

    00:20:50

    Xochitl

    An yeah.

    00:20:56

    Jack

    I've I've probably had a few.

    00:20:56

    발표자

    The memory.

    00:20:57

    발표자 3

    This is.

    00:20:58

    Xochitl

    Yeah, when you're eating it, it just reminds you of Thanksgiving, which is an logic memory for us in the US, yeah.

    00:21:02

    발표자 3

    Right.

    00:21:05

    Jack

    Yeah, I've only had. I've only had maybe 2 Thanksgiving meals in the last 20.

    00:21:13

    Jack

    Four years probably. I remember I had a neighbor from America and he invited me over on Thanksgiving, and he was trying to make a Thanksgiving.

    00:21:23

    Jack

    You know in Korea and he was an American guy. He was worked on the military base, so he got a bird. Sorry, we bird is slang for Turkey.

    00:21:33

    Xochitl

    For tricky.

    00:21:34

    Jack

    Yeah, that's how.

    00:21:35

    Jack

    Midwest, am I right now he. So he got a Turkey and he got a bird and made mashed potatoes and stuff and we.

    00:21:39

    Xochitl

    We got a burn.

    00:21:43

    Jack

    But it was really awkward like.

    00:21:44

    Jack

    I didn't really want to.

    00:21:45

    Jack

    Be there. I was just like I.

    00:21:47

    Xochitl

    Ohh no wait. Why was it awkward? Because.

    00:21:50

    Xochitl

    This brings us to our next.

    00:21:50

    Jack

    I wasn't really close to him that much.

    00:21:52

    Jack

    I think he was trying to like reach out and and I was just kind of like, you know, my wife's not here. She was at work and I'm.

    00:21:59

    Jack

    Just sitting there.

    00:22:00

    Jack

    At this like guys house eating Thanksgiving food.

    00:22:03

    Jack

    Good. But we're we're we're both.

    00:22:05

    Xochitl

    Are you with anyone else?

    00:22:07

    Jack

    No, it was just like me and him. And like his kid, I think was there maybe his wife. I can't. No. Yeah, it was really awkward. And I was just like.

    00:22:11

    Xochitl

    That's really awkward.

    00:22:17

    Jack

    Yeah, I I was. We were.

    00:22:18

    Jack

    We were both just trying to to recreate our own childhood memory, you know, to go back to our past and try to create something over here. And I I realized that it's just not. You can't do it. Like it doesn't work. You have to. You need a you need a group of people.

    00:22:37

    Jack

    That are all really gung ho, like excited about.

    00:22:43

    Jack

    About trying to be creative Thanksgiving. So what you need is like a lot of foreigners, you know. And so when you get a lot of foreigners together, they'll they'll put together a big old like you said, a spread like a spread. It's like a a lot of a lot of different foods. And you can do a big Thanksgiving feast. But.

    00:22:48

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:22:55

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:23:03

    Jack

    When it's just.

    00:23:03

    Jack

    Like me, I tried to do that with my daughter.

    00:23:06

    Jack

    And my wife. But it was just it's it's just too difficult so.

    00:23:11

    Jack

    I just said you.

    00:23:12

    Jack

    Know what? We'll we'll celebrate the Korean Harvest Festival, which is the tussock holiday and all.

    00:23:21

    Jack

    You know, forget about the Thanksgiving one, but hopefully someday in the future, before I die, I would love to go back and have, like, a proper Thanksgiving dinner in America. That would be. That's one of my dreams.

    00:23:37

    Xochitl

    No matter where I am, I always make the Thanksgiving. So I wasn't in Korea for that Thanksgiving, but I was in Mexico, and I did make the spread, but it was just me doing it by myself.

    00:23:49

    Xochitl

    And one of my friends who came, like, insulted my food. I really wanted to kick her out at that point. I was like, don't insult like it just made me so mad because I worked so hard to make everything. And yeah, it was really mean.

    00:23:59

    Jack

    That's awful. What?

    00:24:03

    Jack

    Does she doesn't understand Thanksgiving or she's she's not American?

    00:24:07

    Xochitl

    She doesn't know she's not American, but I don't.

    00:24:10

    발표자 3

    OK.

    00:24:11

    Xochitl

    I don't know. It was just it was weird, but I think later she felt bad about it. But I was like, I was mad. I.

    00:24:16

    Xochitl

    Was like OK.

    00:24:17

    Xochitl

    Well, you don't have to eat.

    00:24:19

    Jack

    You just pulled the.

    00:24:20

    Xochitl

    It just like, yeah, so.

    00:24:20

    Jack

    Mom card. Well, then yeah, no desserts for you. No, pumpkin pie. No pumpkin crumble. Crumble cake for you.

    00:24:29

    Xochitl

    OK.

    00:24:29

    Xochitl

    But the thing that I did mess up and this was before she even got to that part. So this is not what she was criticizing. I undercooked the chicken.

    00:24:38

    Xochitl

    My God, it was so funny because I didn't realize the the elevation makes cooking time for meat and everything different.

    00:24:46

    Jack

    No, I didn't know.

    00:24:47

    Xochitl

    Yeah. I mean, no. Yeah, I didn't know that. And so the chicken was like undercooked, but it still went well, I think, because the sides were all really delicious, even though the the chicken was undercooked. And my boyfriend came the next day, and he we have leftovers together. And he really liked the food. And I reheated the chicken, so it cooked.

    00:24:47

    발표자 3

    That either.

    00:25:07

    Xochitl

    All the way through.

    00:25:08

    발표자 3

    So it's like.

    00:25:08

    발표자

    Yeah, they.

    00:25:09

    Jack

    Yeah. You don't wanna give anyone the.

    00:25:10

    Jack

    Hot chicken well.

    00:25:12

    발표자 3

    The thing that.

    00:25:12

    Jack

    I think we're forgetting about Thanksgiving is the leftovers.

    00:25:16

    Jack

    Because there's nothing like a the the Turkey sandwich. You know, the Turkey gravy sandwich the next day. So you take a piece of bread and you heat up the uh, you heat, you heat up the Turkey and you heat up the the gravy and then you put the Turkey on the bread and then you do pour.

    00:25:38

    Jack

    Gravy on it and it soaks into the bread.

    00:25:41

    Jack

    And then you.

    00:25:41

    Jack

    Eat that Turkey sandwich with the the bread you know soaked the gravy soaked bread and that is even better than Thanksgiving.

    00:25:54

    Jack

    In my.

    00:25:55

    발표자

    Right.

    00:25:56

    Xochitl

    Yeah. See, I've never eaten leftovers like that. I hear a lot of Americans eat like the Turkey sandwich and stuff for us. We would just reheat everything and eat it again. Yeah, but it's so good because sometimes flavors, like, have a chance to meld more together in a dish within a dish. Like.

    00:26:13

    Xochitl

    And so the next day.

    00:26:13

    Jack

    They just gets better and better.

    00:26:16

    Xochitl

    Yeah. It's like more flavorful. So yeah, I I really like the leftovers, and I think it's the best part is like, you can eat.

    00:26:22

    Xochitl

    That food for.

    00:26:23

    Xochitl

    Like 3 days and you don't have to worry about making new food. One thing I like to do is just like add on. So since I do everything by myself now.

    00:26:31

    Xochitl

    I do things in.

    00:26:32

    Xochitl

    Shifts. So like the first round was like.

    00:26:35

    Xochitl

    Fried chicken, mashed potatoes, stuffing, oysters, green beans, cranberry sauce and the 2nd shift was like sweet potatoes. Kush like just I made different dishes each so we could just like bring them together.

    00:26:49

    Jack

    Right.

    00:26:50

    Xochitl

    The next day.

    00:26:50

    Jack

    You know, it's, uh, it's the best. I mean I it I.

    00:26:54

    Jack

    Know a lot of people.

    00:26:56

    Jack

    My friend Kevin, you, you know, Kevin, his favorite holiday is Thanksgiving by far, like he likes it more than Christmas. He likes it more than any other holiday. I think it's because of that, like eating and drinking together and the.

    00:27:12

    Jack

    I don't know it it.

    00:27:13

    Jack

    Puts you in a like.

    00:27:14

    Jack

    You know it's supposed to be a.

    00:27:15

    Jack

    Time where you reflect.

    00:27:17

    Jack

    On the year and you're thankful for.

    00:27:21

    Jack

    The things that you have, you know, and I think we forget about that because.

    00:27:25

    Jack

    Because the very next day after Thanksgiving is probably the the the lowest point culturally for us, which is the Black Friday where it's all about consumerism and excess. And you know it's about fist fighting over a, a television that's on, you know, sale.

    00:27:35

    Xochitl

    Oh my.

    00:27:45

    Jack

    You know, I mean it's like.

    00:27:48

    Jack

    So it's funny how we we flip flop from like this. Really thankful kind of thoughtful mode to the kind of aggressive shopping mode of Black Friday. And so I I think people forget, you know, I I don't.

    00:28:06

    Jack

    Know that's.

    00:28:07

    Jack

    I I love Thanksgiving because I I love the food and I love the family. And yeah, it was it. It is a a wonderful holiday. I do. I do love it.

    00:28:20

    Xochitl

    We are kind of forgetting about the other side of the coin though, which is like Thanksgiving family drama, which I feel like always comes out during those times. I saw this really funny meme. That's like, remember to bring up politics during Thanksgiving so you can save on Christmas presents. That was.

    00:28:28

    Jack

    Right.

    00:28:41

    Xochitl

    I've I think I've had drama every year. Probably my family's a little bit dramatic this year. I got mad because I actually get mad most years.

    00:28:51

    발표자

    That's not new.

    00:28:53

    Xochitl

    This year I got mad because I.

    00:28:53

    Jack

    You cook the food and then you storm off, right?

    00:28:56

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I like made all the food and then today.

    00:29:02

    Xochitl

    I guess it wasn't Thanksgiving anymore, but I think we had a fine Thanksgiving, but then it wasn't Thanksgiving anymore. Today we were, like, reheating stuff.

    00:29:10

    Xochitl

    But I was that.

    00:29:10

    Xochitl

    We were doing it in shifts, so I was supposed to make like.

    00:29:12

    Xochitl

    The stuffing and.

    00:29:13

    Xochitl

    Some other stuff today and I was all ready to do.

    00:29:16

    Xochitl

    It. But my grandma like.

    00:29:19

    Xochitl

    Was mean. I don't know why she gets in like a bad mood. And this is on my mom's side. And so she like said like.

    00:29:28

    Xochitl

    Oh my God. Are you going to make more food or something? And it just made me.

    00:29:32

    Xochitl

    It just like, hit a nerve and like, well, you don't have to eat it.

    00:29:36

    Jack

    Right, right.

    00:29:37

    Xochitl

    You can just eat your own food if you want.

    00:29:39

    Xochitl

    Like you know what I mean? Like.

    00:29:40

    Xochitl

    I wasn't making it for her specifically. There's more other people.

    00:29:44

    Jack

    No, it's just it was just kind.

    00:29:46

    Jack

    Of a crappy thing to.

    00:29:47

    Jack

    Say cause it's just like, well, like why?

    00:29:51

    Jack

    Yeah, no one's.

    00:29:53

    Jack

    Forcing food down your your throat, you know it's.

    00:29:55

    Xochitl

    Yeah, no one's.

    00:29:56

    Xochitl

    Trying to make you eat it.

    00:29:57

    발표자 3

    Yeah, yeah.

    00:29:59

    Xochitl

    So I was like, well, you don't have to eat it. Yeah, I was mean. So that made.

    00:30:02

    Xochitl

    Me upset and then?

    00:30:05

    Xochitl

    I said I wasn't making it anymore. I got mad and said I wasn't making. I wasn't cooking anymore, and then I just didn't cook. My mom supported me and said I didn't have.

    00:30:12

    Xochitl

    To cook, I was like.

    00:30:12

    Xochitl

    Alright, good. Me too we.

    00:30:14

    Xochitl

    Cook. I just it just. I think sometimes it makes me mad and I understand. Like now I kind of see things through a different lens now that I'm older and that the responsibility of making all the food is.

    00:30:29

    Xochitl

    I get why?

    00:30:30

    Xochitl

    Women would get so like angry and frustrated during the holidays when I was a kid, like you would see your mom getting.

    00:30:35

    Xochitl

    Mad and stuff. And you're like you now you realize like, OK, because a lot of people are really unappreciative of all the work that you're putting in to make.

    00:30:43

    Xochitl

    All this food.

    00:30:45

    Jack

    Right. And my family's traditional. So my my grandmother, my mom and my aunt, they would all make the food. Although my uncle would make the bird, he would cook the Turkey. He's kind of like at, you know, like, like putting water on it and whatever.

    00:30:59

    Jack

    The you know.

    00:31:01

    Xochitl

    You're basing it? You mean? Yeah, yeah.

    00:31:01

    Jack

    Pasting it like pasting the Turkey.

    00:31:04

    Jack

    UM.

    00:31:05

    Jack

    And uh.

    00:31:06

    Jack

    So and then afterwards, the men would just sit and watch football and the women had to do all the cleaning as well, so they would be cleaning up in the kitchen and preparing the dessert.

    00:31:12

    Xochitl

    Yeah, and drink beer.

    00:31:17

    Xochitl

    God yeah.

    00:31:21

    Jack

    For the men and I'm, I'm like, you know, it seemed normal to me at this time and so.

    00:31:27

    Xochitl

    It never seemed normal to me. It made me mad, like ever.

    00:31:30

    Xochitl

    Since I think I was always like.

    00:31:31

    Jack

    Yeah. Well, because I'm, you know, I'm the I'm the lucky gender. You know what I mean? Like, I'm the beneficiary of, like, all this, this tradition, it's like.

    00:31:31

    Xochitl

    Why is everyone? Why the men? Just.

    00:31:35

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:31:41

    Jack

    What? What do you what?

    00:31:42

    Jack

    Do young boys learn they?

    00:31:43

    Jack

    Learn to that women do the cooking and the cleaning.

    00:31:47

    Jack

    And the men do the eating and the football watching.

    00:31:49

    Xochitl

    Drinking and the football watching. Yeah. And the I had the same thing happened with my grandma. Another.

    00:31:51

    발표자 3

    Yeah, right.

    00:31:59

    Xochitl

    Year which is I made all the food. My dad insisted she didn't want to have a Thanksgiving. This is my grandma. My mom's side. Again. She want to have Thanksgiving because she says that it.

    00:32:06

    Xochitl

    Always ends badly or something and.

    00:32:10

    Xochitl

    My dad insisted that he wanted to do it, but I ended up having to make all the food my dad made like one dish. But I made. I had to make everything else, and then we brought it and then she was like, oh, this is so nice.

    00:32:20

    Xochitl

    Thank you so much, Tad. Like to my dad.

    00:32:23

    Xochitl

    And I was like.

    00:32:27

    Xochitl

    I was so mad and then my dad did to his ever living credit at least say I didn't make anything. Uh, my daughter made everything. But my grandma already knew.

    00:32:34

    Jack

    Right.

    00:32:35

    Xochitl

    That so it.

    00:32:36

    Xochitl

    Was just like insult to injury. At that point, I.

    00:32:39

    Xochitl

    Was like I.

    00:32:40

    Xochitl

    Think it just, it sucks when you make all those food for people and they don't appreciate it. I think that's what like is hard for women too.

    00:32:46

    Xochitl

    Like you're under feeling unappreciated for all the effort you put in, cause it's a lot of work to plan everything, all the ingredients and do it all.

    00:32:55

    Jack

    There's there's a trend. I mean, I read articles about this in Korea. So Korea has a a harvest festival called the Chusak holiday. And women are so responsible for everything that they some, some women actually faked like injuries.

    00:33:15

    Jack

    Like you would wear like a cast on their arm or something. They're like, oh, I I broke my arm. I can't, you know, attend. I can't do the, you know, the holiday because the holiday.

    00:33:19

    발표자

    Oh yeah.

    00:33:28

    Jack

    It's like it's like worse than your job. It's like a it's like going from what we say. We have an expression in English, like, out of the frying pan, into the fire, kind of. That's the expression. So it's kind of like you get your time off.

    00:33:42

    Jack

    From work to work harder.

    00:33:45

    Jack

    Catering this you know to the needs.

    00:33:48

    Jack

    Of all the men in the family.

    00:33:49

    Jack

    Like cooking and cleaning and nonstop food preparation and cleaning and childcare.

    00:33:55

    Jack

    And all these things.

    00:33:57

    Jack

    Now I think in recent years, though, it's starting to change, you know, like I think.

    00:34:03

    Jack

    That men are starting to realize, like, OK, if if women are going to work full time jobs.

    00:34:10

    Jack

    Then it's only fair to split the the cleaning and the cooking duties. 5050, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's it. That's the lesson that young kids should be learning. Is that like, you have to cooperate together and you know, prepare this this meal. And so I don't know what it has happened in my family.

    00:34:31

    Jack

    Because my family is so spread out now, I think they have their new families, you know? So like all the cousins.

    00:34:39

    Jack

    They all have their family with my aunt and uncle together, and now my aunt, uncle are the grandma and Grandpa and the same with my other family and my parents and my parents are the only ones that really get left out because both of their kids, my brother and I live, you know, thousands of miles away.

    00:35:00

    Jack

    So they so they, we never celebrate Thanksgiving together. And so it's it's one of those things where my you know, when it comes to.

    00:35:09

    Jack

    Like the drama of the family I like.

    00:35:13

    Jack

    I if if we had like a traditional Thanksgiving where it was like all my my aunts and uncles together now after Donald Trump has been elected, it would be.

    00:35:24

    Jack

    On a like a knock down, drag out battle of like like we'd have to. We have to set ground rules like. No, we will not discuss politics.

    00:35:36

    Jack

    Because, because they're, they won't even talk to me right now. Like they they they haven't talked to me.

    00:35:36

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:35:42

    Jack

    In like years.

    00:35:44

    Jack

    Like if I if I send them like like a if I send like a message.

    00:35:44

    Xochitl

    But being less me.

    00:35:47

    Jack

    To them like, hey, happy birthday. Radio silence.

    00:35:51

    Jack

    Just nothing, you know, so.

    00:35:53

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I mean.

    00:35:54

    Xochitl

    Honestly, you're better off without racist people in your life.

    00:35:57

    Xochitl

    Though I mean.

    00:35:57

    Xochitl

    To me, in my opinion, but you know, it is what it is, but I get it. Yeah, I think that a lot of the modern times are the holidays. Just don't hit the way they used to. Like it just hit different now, like.

    00:36:13

    Xochitl

    They're not. I feel like holidays used to be such a thing.

    00:36:18

    Xochitl

    And now it just feels really watered down and I can't tell if it's because I'm getting older or if times are just changing. I feel like it's both probably.

    00:36:26

    Jack

    I think times are changing. I think people are like realizing like, OK, I've got I work hard and I've got this, this this week off or these three days off and like do I want to be miserable with my family or happy with my friends. And I think young people like millennials and.

    00:36:42

    Xochitl

    Yeah, fighting out.

    00:36:47

    Jack

    And Gen. Z people are like you know what? I'm already.

    00:36:48

    Xochitl

    And the.

    00:36:53

    Jack

    I'm already getting screwed over in the economy.

    00:36:55

    Jack

    Like I'm not making enough money. I'm you know.

    00:36:58

    Jack

    Now I gotta fly home.

    00:37:01

    Jack

    To to to deal with.

    00:37:01

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:37:02

    Jack

    This nonsense, you know, so to listen.

    00:37:05

    Jack

    To my uncle.

    00:37:06

    Jack

    You know, talk about how great Donald Trump is, you know, to, you know, I mean, why would I go home to that? Like I would, you know, so I think I think young people are are are creating their own holiday traditions within their friend group friend groups.

    00:37:10

    Xochitl

    Right. Don't.

    00:37:10

    Xochitl

    Do that.

    00:37:23

    Xochitl

    I'm not feeling.

    00:37:25

    Xochitl

    Thinking myself.

    00:37:28

    Xochitl

    After having done the holiday spread three years in a row and never having been appreciated for it once, not once did anyone ever say wow. Thank you. You disagree affected 4 years because it was. I did it when I was 242526 and now 27. So it's technically four different Thanksgiving that I did completely by myself.

    00:37:46

    Xochitl

    And never, ever anyone ever seemed appreciative at all. At that point, I'm like next time I'm just saving my grocery money and my time and going on a trip somewhere.

    00:37:56

    발표자

    You're going.

    00:37:57

    Xochitl

    Going to bother with it. That's how I.

    00:38:00

    Jack

    Yeah, go on a cruise or something.

    00:38:03

    Jack

    Or go to.

    00:38:05

    Jack

    You know? Yeah, the nice.

    00:38:07

    Xochitl

    I don't even get an Airbnb in like the next town over and just drink wine.

    00:38:13

    Xochitl

    Like that all day? Not really.

    00:38:15

    Xochitl

    But it's just it's so.

    00:38:18

    Xochitl

    Kind of demoralizing, I get why people don't want.

    00:38:20

    Xochitl

    To deal with.

    00:38:22

    Xochitl

    Deal with it anymore, in a way.

    00:38:23

    Jack

    Yeah. No, I'm I, I agree 100%. I think it's good, you know? Yeah. Maybe like it's too much. It's it's too much family. It's it's too much, you know, Thanksgiving and then Christmas.

    00:38:36

    Jack

    Is right around.

    00:38:37

    Jack

    The corner I think for for young people in their 20.

    00:38:41

    Jack

    One of the one is OK, like just do a Christmas and forgo the Thanksgiving or do the Thanksgiving and skip the Christmas. I don't know, but I think it's OK, yeah.

    00:38:46

    Xochitl

    The thing is.

    00:38:53

    Xochitl

    Yeah, I did.

    00:38:54

    Xochitl

    Thanksgiving this year, with my mom's family and I am doing Christmas with my dad's family because my grandpa passed away. So.

    00:38:59

    Xochitl

    I want to see my grandma, but next year I'm saving my money both times and just going on a vacation some other time, just like I don't want to be.

    00:39:00

    Jack

    Right.

    00:39:13

    Xochitl

    I just don't want to be here and deal.

    00:39:16

    Xochitl

    Comments and have to make all the food and just at the end of the day, no one is happy. It's like I wasn't happy. I put in all this effort and no one appreciated it, and apparently they're not happy that I did all of that. So I'd rather just save my money and go on a on a cruise or a.

    00:39:32

    Xochitl

    Trip or something, you know, at the end of the day.

    00:39:33

    Jack

    Yeah. Yeah. Well.

    00:39:36

    발표자 3

    I mean, I think that's that's that's.

    00:39:37

    Jack

    Fair. You know, like it's if it's not fun, it's not happy.

    00:39:43

    Jack

    Why are we? We're just doing it. We're just going through the motions of it for no reason. You know? It's just like because because we have to. I think that's what people realize. I think it's what young people in America realized is like, oh, wait, I don't have to do this.

    00:40:00

    Jack

    Like nothing is gonna happen, you know, like nothing bad is going to happen. I'm not going.

    00:40:03

    Xochitl

    If I don't.

    00:40:05

    Jack

    To get struck.

    00:40:06

    Jack

    By lightning, if I don't go home for Thanksgiving, but we're so conditioned as children to like.

    00:40:14

    Jack

    Follow these these traditions and you know it's they're they're just traditions like you. You can break them. That's fine. Like there's no nothing bad will happen.

    00:40:26

    Jack

    You know it's your family.

    00:40:27

    Xochitl

    Yeah. And then have something good on.

    00:40:28

    Jack

    They still have.

    00:40:28

    Jack

    To love you, you know.

    00:40:29

    Xochitl

    Right, exactly.

    00:40:32

    Xochitl

    So yeah, I don't know. I think for all the young people out there, if you're not feeling it this holiday spirit, you know, don't and don't feel like you're selfish because of it. I think that.

    00:40:43

    Xochitl

    We get to.

    00:40:43

    Xochitl

    A little time to relax and actually have vacation and stuff nowadays. It's like you gotta take every chance that you can get.

    00:40:50

    Jack

    Yeah, yeah, I I agree with that, you know.

    00:40:55

    Xochitl

    All right. Well, if you have a holiday similar to Thanksgiving or Harvest Festival in your culture, tell about it with us. If you also celebrate Thanksgiving, let us know how it's going for you. Do you agree that women usually have to do most of the work? I definitely agree you think. Are you down with that? Are you happy about that?

    00:41:11

    발표자

    And the.

    00:41:15

    Xochitl

    Or do you actually want to?

    00:41:18

    Xochitl

    Stop following the tradition and go on vacation next year or go treat yourself next year. Yeah, and let us know who's house you'd rather eat at mine or jacks, I think.

    00:41:28

    Xochitl

    Mine is the.

    00:41:28

    Xochitl

    Right. One you.

    00:41:30

    Xochitl

    Want to get on my good side say.

    00:41:31

    Xochitl

    My my house.

    00:41:34

    Xochitl

    Yeah. And then leave a comment down.

    00:41:35

    Xochitl

    Below and we will see you guys next time.

    00:41:38

    Xochitl

    Make sure follow our podcast Jack and Chill podcast. Check what is our e-mail on our website.

    00:41:42

    발표자

    What you mean?

    00:41:44

    Jack

    So our website is A-Z englishpodcast.com so we're.

    00:41:48

    Jack

    Still using the.

    00:41:49

    Jack

    A-Z englishpodcast.com website but.

    00:41:49

    발표자

    OK.

    00:41:52

    Xochitl

    Right.

    00:41:52

    Jack

    You can send us an e-mail.

    00:41:54

    Jack

    You know A-Z English.

    00:41:55

    Jack

    Podcast@gmail.com.

    00:41:57

    Jack

    Or the Jack and chill podcast@gmail.com. Both of those are OK.

    00:42:03

    Xochitl

    Yeah. And we'll see you guys next.

    00:42:04

    Xochitl

    Time. Bye bye.

    00:42:05

    발표자 3

    Bye bye bye.

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  • The Jack & 'Chill Podcast 03 | Friends, Family, and Holidays

    In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack discuss the Mexican holiday The Day of the Dead. Then, they talk about close friends and family members who have passed away. Finally, they discuss Christmas and how magical it feels when we're young and how we cannot hold on to that magic as we get older.

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    51m | Nov 13, 2023
  • The Jack & 'Chill Podcast 02 | Halloween, Ghost Stories, and "Phrogging"

    In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack discuss Halloween celebrations, ghost stories from Mexico and Korea, and "phrogging."

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  • The Jack & 'Chill Podcast 01 | Before the Internet

    In our very first Jack & 'Chill episode, Xochitl and Jack discuss the following topics: 1) How did you meet your friends before cell phones and social media? 2) Why don't people host parties anymore? 3) Why aren't grandparents involved in their grandchildren's lives these days?

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