<p>Black Girl Burnout is a podcast about burnout, ambition, care, and what it actually takes to build a life that feels good to live—not just impressive from the outside. </p><p>Hosted by Kelley Bonner, the show explores how burnout takes hold, why ambition doesn’t need to be abandoned but redesigned, and how joy, rest, and gentleness can coexist with meaningful work and forward movement.</p><p>Through reflection, practical insight, and carefully chosen conversations, Black Girl Burnout offers both grounding and direction, helping listeners feel seen and take action toward lives that are sustainable, intentional, and their own.</p>

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<p>Kelley is doing Hot Takes today. In this solo episode, she breaks down three money myths circulating as the economy gets shakier: the belief that you need more income streams, that entrepreneurship is an automatic escape from a bad job, and that every hobby needs to become a hustle, and offers a grounded, researched alternative to the panic.</p><p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li>Myth: you need more ways to make money. Truth: go deeper before you go broader. Social media isn&#39;t a reliable revenue stream, and deepening the skills and relationships you already have often pays off more than chasing seven new income streams.</li><li>Myth: entrepreneurship is an escape hatch from a hard job. Truth: it&#39;s a different kind of stress, not a lesser one. It requires financial runway, high tolerance for uncertainty, and a level of discipline most people underestimate.</li><li>Myth: everything valuable in your life needs to make money. Truth: hobbies don&#39;t need customers. Protect at least one thing in your life that exists purely for joy, not revenue.</li><li>Relationships over reach. Ten people who trust your work and are willing to pay you will do more for your financial security than a million casual followers.</li></ul><p><strong>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</strong></p><p>02:00 Myth #1: You need more ways to make money, and why social media isn&#39;t a reliable income source</p><p>14:00 How to vet anyone selling you a &#34;how to make money&#34; program (the receipts test)</p><p>24:00 Myth #2: Entrepreneurship is an automatic escape hatch from a bad job</p><p>34:00 Myth #3: Don&#39;t monetize your hobbies, protecting the things that are just for joy</p><p>39:00 Relationships over reach: the story of rebuilding her business after losing a year of work in three days</p><p><strong>Gentle Invitation</strong></p><p>This week, resist the urge to add. Instead, pick one thing to deepen, one relationship, one skill, one income stream you already have. Ask yourself: am I making this decision from strategy, or from panic?</p><p><strong>Support the Show</strong></p><p>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a></p><p><strong>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</strong></p><p><strong>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review, your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</strong></p><p><strong>Stay in Touch</strong></p><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><p><strong>Our Sponsors</strong></p><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p><strong>Advertising Inquiries: </strong><a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Recession Lies: 3 Money Myths I Need Black Women to Stop Believing

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<p>Kelley names three wars she believes so many Black women are fighting right now, wars we&#39;ve been mislabeling as something else entirely. In this solo episode, she unpacks the war with ourselves (that we call self-improvement), the war with our community (that we call accountability), and the war with the world (that we call activism), and makes the case for stepping out of all three and choosing peace instead.</p><h3>Key Takeaways</h3><ul><li>The war with yourself often gets mislabeled as self-improvement. Urgency, self-punishment, and arbitrary deadlines aren&#39;t growth, they&#39;re just a fight with yourself in disguise.</li><li>The war with community often gets mislabeled as accountability. There&#39;s a real difference between holding someone accountable and piling on. Call people in before you cut them off, and hold boundaries with love, not cruelty.</li><li>The war with the world often gets mislabeled as activism. Anger alone isn&#39;t activism. Real change comes from being steady and grounded, not embattled.</li><li>You can&#39;t fight three wars at once and survive it. Noticing which battle you&#39;re actually in is the first step to choosing peace instead.</li></ul><h3>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h3><p>03:00 The first war: mistaking self-punishment for self-improvement</p><p>07:00 The second war: when accountability turns into pile-on culture and cruelty</p><p>14:00 Calling people in instead of cutting them off, and holding boundaries with love</p><p>16:00 The third war: confusing anger with activism</p><p>18:00 Three questions to ask yourself before you go to war</p><h3>Gentle Invitation</h3><p>This week, notice which war you&#39;re in, with yourself, with your community, or with the world. Ask yourself: is this actually a battle I need to be in, or one I wandered into? You don&#39;t have to win it today. Just notice it&#39;s there.</p><h3>Support the Show</h3><p>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a></p><p><strong>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</strong></p><p><strong>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review, your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</strong></p><h3>Stay in Touch</h3><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h3>Our Sponsors</h3><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p><strong>Advertising Inquiries: </strong><a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

You Don't Have to Go to War

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<p>It&#39;s September, and Kelley wants you to pause before you &#34;lock in.&#34; This solo episode challenges lock-in culture, the cultural pressure to suddenly get disciplined, finish the year strong, and fix your whole life in three months. Kelley shares her own cautionary tale of what years of pushing through cost her health, then walks through a gentler four-step framework for having real goals without declaring war on yourself.</p><h3><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></h3><ul><li>Lock-in syndrome sounds motivating, but it usually runs on shame, the assumption that you&#39;re behind, undisciplined, or broken and need to be fixed by December 31st.</li><li>September 1st isn&#39;t magic. There&#39;s nothing wrong with ambition, but arbitrary deadlines and 75-day challenges often create false urgency instead of real progress.</li><li>Sometimes the most honest answer isn&#39;t to lock in harder, it&#39;s to ask whether you even need to optimize right now, or whether you just need to rest.</li><li>The Gentle Lock-In Framework has four steps: check in, use discernment, choose, and gently commit.</li></ul><h3><strong>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</strong></h3><p><strong>02:00 </strong>What lock-in syndrome is, and the real cost of ignoring how you actually feel</p><p><strong>05:00</strong> Kelley&#39;s own cautionary tale: what years of &#34;locking in&#34; cost her health</p><p><strong>12:00</strong> Do you even need to optimize? Toxic self-care vs. toxic self-improvement</p><p><strong>16:00</strong> Redefining &#34;locking in&#34;: the four-step gentle framework</p><p><strong>19:00</strong> What Kelley&#39;s own lock-in looks like this season (a &#34;75 extra soft&#34;)</p><h3><strong>Gentle Invitation</strong></h3><p>Before you set any goals this month, stop and ask yourself: how am I actually doing? Not what you should be doing, not what everyone else is doing, but what&#39;s actually true in your body, your mind, and your spirit right now.</p><p>Choose one thing, a few things, or nothing at all. And whatever you choose, commit to it gently.</p><h3><strong>Support the Show</strong></h3><p>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a></p><p><strong>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</strong></p><p><strong>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review, your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</strong></p><h3><strong>Stay in Touch</strong></h3><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h3><strong>Our Sponsors</strong></h3><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p><strong>Advertising Inquiries: </strong><a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Before You "Lock In", Check In

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<p>Kelley sits down with N. <span>Chloé Nwangwu</span>, keynote speaker, principal investigator at Nobiworks, and known as The Brand Scientist, for a conversation about the real difference between going viral and being truly visible. <span>Chloé</span> breaks down two decades of research into the science of visibility, from her early career in international conflict mediation to the framework she now teaches leaders, brands, and Black women specifically on how recognition actually works, and why the usual advice to &#34;just show up more&#34; isn&#39;t enough.</p><h2>Key Takeaways</h2><ul><li>Recognition is the invisible currency of influence. Without it, you don&#39;t have access to shaping the beliefs, judgments, and decisions of the people around you.</li><li>Being seen isn&#39;t the same as being remembered, and being remembered isn&#39;t the same as being recognized. <span>Chloé</span>&#39;s &#34;Three Rs of Visibility&#34;, represented, remembered, recognized, explain why some ideas stick and others get filtered out.</li><li>Visibility bias creates a real invisibility tax. The &#34;reciprocity gap&#34; means under-recognized people often have to give more and get less back for the same effort as their peers.</li><li>Lasting visibility isn&#39;t luck, it&#39;s an ecosystem. Building a platform, a real &#34;circle of recognition&#34; (not just a follower count), and decision architecture is what actually moves people.</li></ul><h2>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h2><p><strong>05:00</strong> From conflict mediation to Brand Scientist: the through-line <span>Chloé</span> didn&#39;t see coming</p><p><strong>14:00 </strong> Recognition as the invisible currency of influence: who gets the seat at the table, and why</p><p><strong>18:00</strong> The Three Rs of Visibility: represented, remembered, recognized</p><p><strong>32:00</strong> Under-recognition, visibility bias, and the invisibility tax</p><p><strong>43:00</strong> Building an ecosystem of influence: platform, circle of recognition, and decision architecture</p><h2>Gentle Invitation</h2><p>This week, notice one input you let into your life on autopilot, a feed, a follow, an opinion you didn&#39;t choose. Ask yourself: who does this benefit? Do I want to play along?</p><p>Choose one small act of curation. Unfollow one account, mute one feed, protect one hour. Not everything. Just one thing.</p><h2>Connect with <span>Chloé</span> Nwangwu</h2><p>Find <span>Chloé</span> on LinkedIn, where she shares her nerdiest, most in-depth work</p><p>She also offers a free recognition assessment that tells you where you stand and gives you your next best step</p><h2>Support the Show</h2><p>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a></p><p><strong>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</strong></p><p><strong>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review, your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</strong></p><h2>Stay in Touch</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h2>Our Sponsors</h2><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p><strong>Advertising Inquiries: </strong><a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Chloe Nwangwu, Brand Scientist: Curiosity, Curation, and Confidence

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<p><strong>Joy Economics: Shani Godwin on Ending Over-Functioning &amp; Choosing Joy on Your Own Terms</strong></p><p>Kelley sits down with Shani Godwin, writer, entrepreneur, and creator of the concept of Joy Economics, for a conversation that started with a line from her viral Oprah Magazine piece: &#34;Black girl magic isn&#39;t magic, it&#39;s normalized over-functioning.&#34; Shani opens up about the mental health crisis that changed her life at 30, the 3 a.m. breakdown that made her rethink what success actually costs, and the practice she now teaches to help Black women build lives and businesses around joy instead of around proving they can carry it all.</p><h1>Key Takeaways</h1><ul><li>Black girl magic isn&#39;t magic, it&#39;s normalized over-functioning. Making the hard things look effortless comes with an invisible tax, and the more we achieve, the heavier that tax gets.</li><li>Being &#34;strong&#34; isn&#39;t always the answer. Sometimes the most loving thing we can do for each other is stop saying &#34;you got this&#34; and instead just show up, sit in it, and let someone be broken for a moment.</li><li>Joy Economics means building your life and business around what actually brings you joy, not around growth for growth&#39;s sake. Profit and freedom over vanity metrics; joy in the journey, not just the destination.</li></ul><h1>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h1><p><strong>2:00</strong> — Where &#34;Black girl magic isn&#39;t magic, it&#39;s normalized over-functioning&#34; came from</p><p><strong>10:00 </strong>— Shani&#39;s mental health crisis at 30, and the 20-year journey that followed</p><p><strong>27:00</strong> — What Joy Economics actually is</p><p><strong>37:00 </strong>— Practical first steps: radical honesty with yourself, and learning where joy lives in your body</p><p><strong>53:00</strong> — What brings Shani joy day to day, and how she protects it</p><h1>Gentle Invitation</h1><p>This week, notice a moment when you feel genuinely good, when your shoulders drop, you laugh, or you feel peaceful. Don&#39;t rush past it.</p><p>Ask yourself: what does joy actually feel like in my body? Not what should make you happy, or what looks successful, what does it actually feel like?</p><p>Joy doesn&#39;t only belong after you&#39;ve made it. It belongs in the life that&#39;s already happening now.</p><h1>Connect with Shani Godwin</h1><p>Website: <a href="https://shanigodwin.com" rel="nofollow">shanigodwin.com</a></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/iamshanigodwin" rel="nofollow">@iamshanigodwin</a></p><h2>Support the Show</h2><p>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a></p><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h2>Stay in Touch</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h2>Our Sponsors</h2><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Joy Economics: Shani Godwin on Ending Over-Functioning & Choosing Joy on Your Own Terms

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<p>Kelley sits down with Sonya Renee Taylor, author of The Body Is Not an Apology: The Power of Radical Self-Love, for a conversation Kelley calls essential reading for every Black woman. They trace the phrase&#39;s origin story, unpack what body shame really is beneath the physical, and walk through Sonya&#39;s roadmap for opting out of shame and into radical self-love: mapping your way out of shame, the four pillars of practice, and why community and self-compassion are what actually make the work sustainable.</p><h2>Key Takeaways</h2><p>Body shame isn&#39;t only physical. It shows up as shame around our needs, our emotions, our voice, and how much space we let ourselves take up. The physical body is just where 90% of the conversation gets stuck.</p><ul><li>Opting out of shame starts with three peace treaties: making peace with not understanding, making peace with difference, and making peace with our bodies, in that order.</li><li>Radical self-love isn&#39;t something you build, it&#39;s your default state. The four pillars (taking out the toxic, mind matters, unapologetic action, collective compassion) are about removing what&#39;s been layered on top, not adding something new.</li></ul><h2>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h2><p><strong>02:00</strong> - Where the phrase &#34;the body is not an apology&#34; came from</p><p><strong>08:00 </strong>- What body shame really means, beyond the physical</p><p><strong>13:00</strong> - Mapping your way out of shame:<strong> </strong>the three-step framework</p><p><strong>20:00</strong> - Making peace with our bodies as &#34;currency&#34;</p><p><strong>29:00 </strong>- The four pillars of a radical self-love practice</p><p><strong>55:00 - </strong>Where to connect with Sonya Renee Taylor</p><h2>Gentle Invitation</h2><p>This week, notice one place you apologize for taking up space, in your body, your voice, your needs, or your wants.</p><p>You don&#39;t have to fix it. Just notice it, and see if you can meet it with the same grace Sonya describes: &#34;It&#39;s okay. I love you, just as you are.&#34;</p><p>Choose one small, unapologetic action. Not ten. Just one.</p><p>Let that be enough for now.</p><h2>Connect with Sonya Renee Taylor</h2><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/sonyareneetaylor" rel="nofollow">@SonyaReneeTaylor</a></p><p>Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/sonyareneetaylor" rel="nofollow">Sonya Renee Taylor</a></p><p>Website: <a href="https://www.sonyareneetaylor.com" rel="nofollow">sonyareneetaylor.com</a></p><p>Book: The Body Is Not an Apology: The Power of Radical Self-Love</p><h2>Support the Show</h2><p>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a></p><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h2>Stay in Touch</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h2>Our Sponsors</h2><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

The Body Is Not an Apology: Sonya Renee Taylor on Radical Self-Love & Letting Go of Shame (REPLAY)

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<p>We&#39;re on hiatus, but Kelley couldn&#39;t let August start without checking in. In this solo episode, she talks about why this month feels less about goal-crushing and more about giving herself permission, to have fun, to earn what she&#39;s worth, and to be brave, vulnerable, and visible. From booking concert tickets before she &#34;earned&#34; them to rehabbing the Substack membership, this is a conversation about scheduling joy instead of waiting for it, and about what&#39;s coming next for Black Girl Burnout.</p><h2>Key Takeaways</h2><p>Waiting for permission is its own kind of emotional death sentence. So many of us live in an invisible waiting room, we&#39;ve done the courses, read the books, listened to the podcasts, but still wait for the &#34;right time&#34; to actually live differently.</p><ul><li>Joy is scheduled, not earned. Kelley bought concert tickets to see Olivia Dean months in advance as a reminder that delight doesn&#39;t have to be a reward for finishing a task, it can be planned for.</li><li>Worthiness shows up in money and visibility too. Giving yourself permission isn&#39;t just emotional, it&#39;s charging what you&#39;re worth, unlearning inherited scarcity stories, and being willing to be seen.</li></ul><h2>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h2><p>00:00:00 -<strong>Welcome back:</strong> why Kelley couldn&#39;t let August start without a hiatus check-in</p><p>02:00 - <strong>The invisible waiting room:</strong> why so many of us know what to do but haven&#39;t stepped through the door</p><p>05:19 - <strong>Permission #1: More fun:</strong> scheduling joy on purpose (hello, Olivia Dean tickets) instead of waiting for it to drop in your lap</p><p>08:04 -<strong> Permission #2: More money:</strong> worthiness, unlearning scarcity stories, and separating guilt from what you charge</p><p>11:04 - <strong>Permission #3: Bravery, vulnerability &amp; visibility</strong>: showing up more on social, and what&#39;s coming with the Substack membership rehab and the first digital magazine</p><p>15:07 - <strong>The bigger invitation</strong>: what could August become if you stopped waiting and started participating in your own life?</p><p>17:30 - <strong>Outro: </strong>catalog picks to revisit on hiatus, including the Michelle Young, Sonia Renee Taylor, and Morgan Harper Nichols interviews</p><h2>Gentle Invitation</h2><p>This week, notice where you&#39;re waiting for permission you could just give yourself.</p><p>What are you telling yourself you&#39;ll do &#34;when&#34;, when you lose the weight, when you have more money, when someone else validates the idea? What would it look like to do it now, in one small way?</p><p>Choose one micro-permission. Not ten. Just one. Schedule the joy, send the pitch, post the thing.</p><p>Let that be enough for now.</p><h2>Support the Show</h2><p>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a> Thank you for being part of this community.</p><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com.</p><p>Watch on YouTube. Drop a review, your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h2>Stay in Touch</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley, including a first look at the digital magazine and the rehabbed membership community.</p><p>Become a paid Substack subscriber ($8/month, the cost of a latte!) for exclusive resources to support your burnout-free life.</p><h2>Our Sponsors</h2><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Stop Waiting for Your Life to Begin: Why Permission Is More Powerful Than Productivity

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<p>In this thoughtful conversation, Kelley sits down with licensed clinical social worker Michelle Goodloe to explore what burnout really is—and why so many Black women experience it differently. Michelle shares her personal journey through professional burnout, explains why self-care alone isn&#39;t enough to recover, and offers a compassionate framework for rebuilding a healthier relationship with yourself through boundaries, restorative self-care, and intentional slowing down.</p><p>Together, they unpack the Strong Black Woman stereotype, capitalism fatigue, identity beyond work, and why healing begins with giving yourself permission to become more than what the world expects of you. The episode is both validating and practical, offering listeners tangible first steps toward burnout recovery and a more joyful, sustainable life.</p><h3>Key Takeaways</h3><ul><li><strong>Burnout develops over time—and recovery does too.</strong> Healing begins by slowing down, identifying what&#39;s contributing to burnout, and taking small, sustainable steps toward rest.</li><li><strong>Boundaries are an act of self-respect.</strong> Healthy boundaries protect your time, energy, and joy while teaching others how to have healthy relationships with you.</li><li><strong>Black women deserve identities beyond &#34;strong.&#34;</strong> You have permission to redefine strength to include rest, softness, vulnerability, and self-compassion.</li></ul><h3>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h3><p><strong>00:02 – Michelle&#39;s personal burnout story</strong></p><p>Michelle shares how professional burnout transformed both her life and the work she does today.</p><p><strong>09:00 – What burnout actually is</strong></p><p>A powerful conversation on how burnout develops over time, the role of capitalism fatigue, and recognizing the signs before your body forces you to stop.</p><p><strong>16:30 – Beyond the Strong Black Woman stereotype</strong></p><p>Michelle and Kelley unpack how inherited expectations around strength contribute to burnout and how Black women can redefine what strength means for themselves.</p><p><strong>29:00 – Boundaries protect your joy</strong></p><p>Michelle shares practical boundary-setting strategies—including her &#34;Yes, No, Yes&#34; framework—and explains why protecting your time is essential for burnout recovery.</p><h3>A Gentle Invitation</h3><p>This week, ask yourself one simple question: <strong>&#34;What would help me go from a 10 to a 9?&#34;</strong> Instead of trying to overhaul your life, choose one small way to slow down—reschedule one task, say no to one request, or create one boundary that protects your time. Burnout recovery isn&#39;t about changing everything overnight; it&#39;s about consistently choosing yourself, one step at a time.</p><h3>Connect with Michelle</h3><p>G. Michelle Goodloe, LCSW, is a licensed clinical social worker, burnout recovery strategist, and founder of Gmichelle Wellness. Through her therapy-informed approach, Michelle helps exhausted professionals—especially Black women and helping professionals—recover from burnout, unlearn toxic productivity, and build sustainable self-care practices rooted in compassion and rest.</p><p><strong>Website:</strong> <a href="https://www.gmichelle.com/?utm_source=chatgpt.com" rel="nofollow">Gmichelle Wellness</a></p><p><strong>Instagram:</strong> @thegmichelle (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/thegmichelle" rel="nofollow">https://www.instagram.com/thegmichelle</a>)</p><h3>Books &amp; Guided Journals</h3><ul><li><strong>The Self-Care Investment: Your Guide to Making Your Self-Care Non-Negotiable</strong> – A practical workbook filled with guided exercises, self-care trackers, and reflective activities to help you build a personalized, sustainable self-care practice.</li><li>Purchase: <a href="https://www.gmichelle.com/shop?utm_source=chatgpt.com" rel="nofollow">The Self-Care Investment</a></li><li><strong>I Own My Magic: Self-Talk for Black Women</strong> – An affirmation and self-reflection journal designed to help Black women strengthen self-esteem, practice self-compassion, and embrace their softness.</li><li>Purchase: <a href="https://www.gmichelle.com/shop?utm_source=chatgpt.com" rel="nofollow">I Own My Magic</a></li><li><strong>Self Explore, Self Restore</strong> – A guided self-care journal with thoughtful prompts to help you reconnect with yourself, reduce stress, and make self-care a consistent part of everyday life.</li><li>Purchase: <a href="https://www.gmichelle.com/shop?utm_source=chatgpt.com" rel="nofollow">Self Explore, Self Restore</a></li></ul><h3>Support the Show</h3><p>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a> Thank you for being part of this community.</p><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h3>Stay in Touch</h3><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h3>Our Sponsors</h3><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Strength & Softness: Michelle Goodloe on Burnout Recovery for Black Women (REPLAY)

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<p>Michelle Young joins Kelley for an honest conversation about what happens when life changes in ways you never expected. From navigating sudden public attention after <em>The Bachelor</em> and <em>The Bachelorette</em> to living with POTS (Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome), Michelle shares how she&#39;s learned to redefine strength, embrace rest, and let go of the belief that productivity determines worth.</p><p>Together, they explore burnout, chronic illness, boundaries, activism, community, and the courage to build a gentler life. Michelle also reflects on finding new purpose through her foundation, supporting underserved students, and discovering that slowing down doesn&#39;t mean giving up—it creates space to live with greater intention, joy, and authenticity.</p><h3>Key Takeaways</h3><ul><li><strong>Rest is not something you earn—it&#39;s essential to healing.</strong> True strength isn&#39;t always pushing through; sometimes it&#39;s leaving a little energy in the tank.</li><li><strong>Your worth isn&#39;t measured by your productivity.</strong> Healing often requires redefining success and learning that who you are matters more than what you accomplish.</li><li><strong>A meaningful life is built through intentional choices.</strong> Whether it&#39;s protecting your energy, setting boundaries, or nurturing relationships, small daily decisions create lasting change.</li></ul><h3>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h3><p><br></p><p><strong>00:00 – When life changes overnight: </strong>Michelle reflects on staying grounded through sudden fame, remaining true to herself, and navigating life in the public eye.</p><p><strong>17:45 – Living with POTS and redefining strength: </strong>Michelle explains POTS, shares how chronic illness transformed her relationship with rest, and why pushing through is no longer the goal.</p><p><strong>33:20 – Finding purpose after burnout: </strong>Michelle discusses building her foundation, discovering a new way to make an impact, and embracing seasons where purpose evolves instead of disappears.</p><p><strong>49:30 – Leaving a little energy in the tank: </strong>Michelle and Kelley explore what it means to measure success differently, embrace intentional living, and find joy in slowing down.</p><h3>See You Soon</h3><p><strong>Leave a Little Energy in the Tank</strong></p><p>This week, notice where you&#39;re treating exhaustion as proof that you&#39;ve done enough. Instead of giving every ounce of yourself away, experiment with ending one day with a little energy left. Rest before you&#39;re depleted, be fully present with someone you love, and remember that your value isn&#39;t determined by how much you produce—it&#39;s already yours.</p><h3>Connect with Michelle</h3><p>Michelle Young is a former elementary school teacher, television personality, and fan favorite from <em>The Bachelor</em> and <em>The Bachelorette</em>. Today, she continues her work as an educator, speaker, and advocate, using her platform to expand opportunities for young people and support communities through education-focused initiatives.</p><p><strong>Website:</strong> <a href="https://michelleyoungofficial.com" rel="nofollow">https://michelleyoungofficial.com</a></p><p><strong>Instagram:</strong> @michelleyoung</p><p><strong>TikTok:</strong> @michelleyoung</p><h3>The Michelle Young Foundation</h3><p><strong>The Michelle Young Foundation:</strong> <a href="https://www.themichelleyoungfoundation.org" rel="nofollow">https://www.themichelleyoungfoundation.org</a></p><p>Through <strong>The Michelle Young Foundation</strong>, Michelle partners with educators and school districts to connect underserved students with scholarships, enrichment opportunities, and after-school programming like <em>Homework and Hoops</em>. The foundation is dedicated to helping students access experiences that foster growth while supporting the educators who champion them every day.</p><h3>Support the Show</h3><p>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a> Thank you for being part of this community.</p><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h3>Stay in Touch</h3><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h3>Our Sponsors</h3><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

When Your Body Changes the Plan: Michelle Young on Chronic Illness, Rest & Redefining Success

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<p>Healing isn&#39;t another achievement to unlock—it&#39;s a relationship we cultivate with ourselves over time. In this conversation, Kelley sits down with therapist, trauma-informed movement specialist, and holistic health coach Jayden Aubren to explore why lasting healing begins with honoring our capacity instead of pushing past it. Together they unpack the connection between trauma, movement, nervous system regulation, and intentional living, offering practical ways to build sustainable habits that support healing without burnout. If you&#39;ve ever felt pressured to &#34;fix yourself&#34; faster, this episode is an invitation to embrace a softer, more sustainable path.</p><h2>Key Takeaways</h2><ul><li>Healing becomes more sustainable when we honor our body&#39;s capacity instead of chasing perfection or quick fixes.</li><li>Small, consistent practices—like mindful movement, breathwork, quality rest, and intentional routines—create lasting transformation over time.</li><li>Building a healing lifestyle means shifting from solving isolated problems to nurturing your whole ecosystem: body, mind, relationships, and daily habits.</li></ul><h2>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h2><p><strong>00:00 — What does healing on your own terms actually look like?</strong></p><p>Kelley introduces Jayden Aubren and explores why healing should honor our whole humanity—not just our productivity.</p><p><strong>15:45 — Why your body needs less, not more</strong></p><p>Jayden explains trauma-informed movement, the nervous system, and why slowing down often creates better long-term results than pushing harder.</p><p><strong>39:30 — Building a healing lifestyle through small daily habits</strong></p><p>The conversation turns toward practical ways to reconnect with your body through sleep, movement, food, breathwork, and mindful routines.</p><p><strong>59:10 — &#34;What brings you joy?&#34;</strong></p><p>Jayden shares a memorable answer about finding joy in themselves, followed by Kelley&#39;s reflections on nurturing the relationship we have with ourselves.</p><h2>Gentle Invitation</h2><p>This week, choose <strong>one</strong> small practice that helps you reconnect with yourself. Maybe it&#39;s taking three intentional breaths before your next meeting, eating one meal without distractions, going for a short walk, or simply allowing yourself to rest without trying to earn it. Notice how that one small act shifts the way you move through your day. Healing doesn&#39;t have to be rushed to be real.</p><h3>Support the Show</h3><p>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a> Thank you for being part of this community.</p><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h3>Stay in Touch</h3><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h3>Our Sponsors</h3><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Reclaiming Your Body, Joy & Capacity with Jayden Aubren

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<p>What happens when you stop trying to fit into expectations and start building a life that actually fits you?</p><p>In this deeply affirming conversation, Kelley sits down with artist, bestselling author, and creative visionary Morgan Harper Nichols to explore the intersection of creativity, neurodivergence, boundaries, and self-advocacy. Morgan reflects on receiving diagnoses of autism, ADHD, and sensory processing disorder in adulthood, and how having language for her experiences gave her freedom—not because it erased challenges, but because it gave her a framework for understanding herself with compassion.</p><p>Together, Kelley and Morgan unpack the hidden ways burnout shows up, especially for Black women who are often praised for being capable, adaptable, and endlessly giving. They discuss why boundaries must become a practice—not just a theory—and how asking &#34;What&#39;s in it for me?&#34; is an essential act of self-preservation.</p><p>The conversation also dives into creativity as a way of reclaiming yourself. Morgan shares how building her creative career started with nothing more than an iPad and a corner of a kitchen counter, proving that creativity isn&#39;t about having the perfect space—it&#39;s about giving yourself permission to begin where you are.</p><p>Finally, they explore legacy, community, and joy, reminding listeners that our greatest impact often lives not in what we create, but in how we inspire others to create for themselves.</p><h2>Key Takeaways</h2><ul><li><strong>Naming your experience creates freedom.</strong> Having language for your challenges doesn&#39;t erase them—it gives you the tools to understand yourself with greater compassion and build a life that supports your needs.</li><li><strong>Boundaries become powerful when they&#39;re practiced.</strong> Moving beyond people-pleasing requires asking whether relationships, opportunities, and commitments are truly reciprocal and life-giving.</li><li><strong>Creativity doesn&#39;t require perfect conditions.</strong> You don&#39;t need more space, more time, or more permission to begin. Creativity grows when you make room for it with whatever you already have.</li></ul><h2>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h2><p><strong>00:04 – Finding Freedom Through Diagnosis</strong></p><p>Morgan shares how receiving her autism, ADHD, and sensory processing disorder diagnoses helped her replace confusion with clarity and compassion.</p><p><strong>17:45 – Why Boundaries Must Become a Practice</strong></p><p>A conversation about burnout, reciprocity, and learning to ask the transformative question: &#34;What&#39;s in it for me?&#34;</p><p><strong>31:40 – Creativity Doesn&#39;t Need Perfect Conditions</strong></p><p>Morgan explains how her entire creative career began with an iPad and a small corner of her kitchen counter—and why creativity is about permission, not perfection.</p><p><strong>57:10 – Building a Legacy Through Community &amp; Protecting Joy</strong></p><p>Morgan reflects on creating work that lives on through other people and shares the practical rituals she uses to protect her own joy and creative energy.</p><h2>This Week&#39;s Gentle Invitation</h2><p>Take ten uninterrupted minutes this week to make space for something that brings you joy—not because you&#39;re productive, talented, or trying to achieve something, but simply because it makes you feel more like yourself.</p><p>Then ask yourself:</p><p><strong>What would my life look like if I gave myself permission to create, rest, and receive without earning it first?</strong></p><h2>Support the Show</h2><p>As we celebrate over <strong>500 episodes</strong> of Black Girl Burnout, thank you for being part of this incredible community.</p><p>If the podcast has encouraged you, inspired you, or supported your healing journey, one of the best ways you can help us continue this work is by supporting the show through our Ko-fi community. </p><p>You can support the podcast here:</p><p><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong></p><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h2>Stay in Touch</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h2>Our Sponsors</h2><p>Super.com: super.com/credit</p><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

You Don't Need Perfect Conditions to Create a Beautiful Life Ft. Morgan Harper Nichols (REPLAY)

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<p>In this deeply personal milestone episode, Kelley celebrates 500 episodes of <em>Black Girl Burnout</em> by reflecting on the journey that brought her here—and the one she&#39;s stepping into next. She begins by honoring the incredible team behind the podcast before sharing how laying her father to rest at Arlington National Cemetery became an unexpected invitation to slow down, remember, and reconnect with herself.</p><p>Kelley explores the idea that healing is not a destination but a lifelong practice, and that waiting until we&#39;re &#34;fully healed&#34; before embracing joy keeps us from fully living. Instead, she invites listeners to make room for delight, whimsy, and softness alongside grief, growth, and ambition.</p><p>She also offers an honest look at the current state of podcasting, particularly for Black women creators, and explains why she&#39;s committed to building <em>Black Girl Burnout</em> in a way that doesn&#39;t recreate the very burnout it&#39;s designed to help people overcome.</p><p>Finally, Kelley shares exciting news about the future of the podcast, announces an eight-week behind-the-scenes creative sabbatical, and invites listeners into the next chapter of Black Girl Burnout—a chapter centered on healing, community, delight, and becoming more fully ourselves.</p><h1>Key Takeaways</h1><ul><li><strong>Healing isn&#39;t a finish line—it deserves companions.</strong> Joy, whimsy, rest, and delight don&#39;t belong at the end of your healing journey; they belong alongside it.</li><li><strong>You can&#39;t teach people not to abandon themselves while abandoning yourself.</strong> Sustainable work requires creating boundaries and building a life that aligns with your values.</li><li><strong>Our lives are meant to hold more than survival.</strong> The goal isn&#39;t simply recovering from burnout—it&#39;s creating a life spacious enough for wonder, connection, and joy.</li></ul><h1>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h1><p><strong>00:00 – Celebrating 500 Episodes &amp; Gratitude for the Village</strong></p><p>Kelley reflects on the milestone of reaching 500 episodes and honors the people who helped build Black Girl Burnout behind the scenes.</p><p><strong>08:30 – Honoring Her Father &amp; Rediscovering Herself Through Grief</strong></p><p>A moving reflection on laying her father to rest and how remembering his life inspired Kelley to reclaim forgotten parts of herself.</p><p><strong>20:15 – Healing Needs Delight, Too</strong></p><p>Kelley introduces a powerful new philosophy: healing isn&#39;t something to finish before experiencing joy—healing and delight belong together.</p><p><strong>33:45 – The Future of Black Girl Burnout</strong></p><p>Kelley shares why she&#39;s taking an intentional eight-week creative sabbatical and unveils her vision for the next evolution of the podcast.</p><h1>Gentle Invitation</h1><h2>This Week&#39;s Gentle Invitation</h2><p>Ask yourself one simple question:</p><p><strong>What part of yourself have you been waiting to bring back until life feels &#34;better&#34;?</strong></p><p>Instead of waiting for the perfect moment, choose one small act of delight this week—something that reminds you you&#39;re more than your productivity, your healing, or your responsibilities. Let joy walk beside you, not behind you.</p><h3>Support the Show</h3><p>As we celebrate <strong>500 episodes of Black Girl Burnout</strong>, we&#39;d love to celebrate with you.</p><ol><li>Share the journey by sending us a DM and telling us about your favorite episode or a moment that truly moved you.</li><li>You can also email us at <a href="mailto:info@blackgirlburnout.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>info@blackgirlburnout.com</strong></a> to share your reflections, and if you haven&#39;t already, leaving a review is one of the most meaningful ways to help others discover the show.</li><li>If you&#39;d like to make a one-time gift in honor of this milestone and support the continued work of Black Girl Burnout, you can donate through <a href="https://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout" rel="nofollow">Ko-fi</a> at <a href="http://ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout." rel="nofollow"><strong>ko-fi.com/blackgirlburnout</strong>.</a> Thank you for being part of this community and for helping us make the next 500 episodes possible.</li></ol><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h3>Stay in Touch</h3><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

500 Episodes Later: What Burnout, Grief & Healing Have Taught Me

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<p>We often think expansion should look loud, visible, and impressive. More followers. More money. More accomplishments. More proof that we&#39;re growing. But what if the most important growth happens where no one else can see it?</p><p>In this episode, Kelley uses the metaphor of roots and blooming to explore a different path to expansion. She challenges the idea that success requires constant striving and invites listeners to embrace seasons of quiet growth, deeper self-trust, and intentional living. Through personal reflections and practical examples, Kelley shares how community, joyful movement, financial peace, and self-acceptance can become powerful forms of expansion that nourish you long before anyone notices the bloom.</p><h2>Key Takeaways</h2><ul><li><strong>The most transformative growth often happens out of sight.</strong> Just as roots develop underground before a plant blooms, your quiet seasons may be building the foundation for sustainable expansion.</li><li><strong>You can desire more without rejecting who you are today.</strong> Growth becomes healthier when it&#39;s rooted in self-acceptance rather than self-criticism.</li><li><strong>Expansion doesn&#39;t have to be performative.</strong> Deepening community, embracing joyful movement, and pursuing financial peace can be powerful expressions of growth that don&#39;t require external validation.</li></ul><h2>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h2><ul><li><strong>02:09 – The Growth No One Sees</strong></li><li>Kelley introduces the concept of rooted expansion and explains why the most important growth often happens beneath the surface before any visible bloom appears.</li><li><strong>17:03 – Wanting More Without Rejecting Yourself</strong></li><li>A powerful reflection on holding ambition and self-acceptance at the same time, rather than using growth as a reason to criticize yourself.</li><li><strong>21:57 – Rooting Yourself in Community Instead of Performance</strong></li><li>Kelley shares practical ways to deepen relationships through presence, connection, and community care rather than social media performance.</li><li><strong>36:20 – You Don&#39;t Need to Earn Your Bloom</strong></li><li>A moving closing reminder that joy, celebration, and expansion don&#39;t have to wait until you&#39;ve achieved the next milestone.</li></ul><h2>A Gentle Invitation</h2><p>This week, ask yourself:</p><p><strong>Where am I being called to root instead of rush?</strong></p><p>Choose one area of your life where you&#39;ve been measuring growth by visibility, productivity, or achievement. Then experiment with a quieter form of expansion—deepening a friendship, taking a joyful walk, creating a budget that supports peace, or simply giving yourself permission to pause.</p><p>Your roots matter just as much as your bloom. And sometimes the most meaningful growth is happening long before anyone else can see it.</p><h2>Support the Show</h2><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h2>Stay in Touch</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h2>Our Sponsors</h2><p>Super.com: Visit Super.com for more details.</p><p>Sista Afya Community Care: <a href="http://sistaafya.com/" rel="nofollow">www.sistaafya.com</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

The Quiet Growth That Changes Everything

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<p>Over the past several weeks, Kelley has been exploring the idea of thawing—what happens when you move from survival mode into a space where you can finally feel again. In this episode, she examines another form of freezing that often goes unnoticed: outrage.</p><p>Through reflections on social media discourse, cultural conversations, and personal experiences, Kelley explores how outrage can offer certainty in uncertain times while simultaneously limiting curiosity, connection, and healing. She invites listeners to consider the difference between accountability and punishment, certainty and nuance, and asks a powerful question: What life might be waiting on the other side of anger?</p><h2>Key Takeaways</h2><ul><li><strong>Outrage can become a freeze response.</strong> While anger provides important information, living in a constant state of outrage can limit curiosity, growth, and emotional freedom.</li><li><strong>Healing requires nuance.</strong> Real life exists in complexity, and thawing often begins when we become willing to ask questions instead of rushing to certainty.</li><li><strong>Accountability and punishment are not the same thing.</strong> We can address harm, seek truth, and hold people accountable without losing our humanity or engaging in cruelty.</li></ul><h2><br></h2><h2>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h2><p><strong>04:30 — How Outrage Can Become a Frozen State</strong></p><p>Kelley explores the difference between healthy anger and chronic outrage, and why certainty can feel safer than curiosity during uncertain times.</p><p><strong>12:15 — Projection, Social Media, and the Emma Grede Conversation</strong></p><p>A discussion about cultural discourse, assumptions, and what happens when we stop seeing people as individuals and start treating them as symbols.</p><p><strong>28:40 — Accountability Versus Punishment</strong></p><p>Using public conversations around Cheyenne Bryant as an example, Kelley examines the difference between addressing harm and participating in public cruelty.</p><p><strong>46:50 — Returning to Softness and the Thaw</strong></p><p>Kelley closes with a reflection on vulnerability, nuance, and the possibility of creating a fuller life beyond outrage and reactivity.</p><h2>A Gentle Invitation</h2><h3>What Are You No Longer Available For?</h3><p>Take a moment this week to notice where certainty may be keeping you stuck.</p><p>Ask yourself:</p><p><strong>&#34;What might become possible if I chose curiosity over certainty in one area of my life?&#34;</strong></p><p>You don&#39;t have to abandon discernment or ignore harm. Instead, consider one place where you can create space for nuance, softness, or a deeper question. Sometimes healing begins when you stop reacting long enough to listen to what your heart is trying to tell you.</p><h2>SUPPORT THE SHOW</h2><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h2>STAY IN TOUCH</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h2>OUR SPONSORS</h2><p>Super.com: Visit Super.com for more details.</p><p>Sista Afya Community Care: <a href="http://sistaafya.com/" rel="nofollow">www.sistaafya.com</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

What Outrage Is Costing Us?

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<p>What does it look like to pursue ambition without abandoning yourself in the process?</p><p>In this powerful conversation, Kelley sits down with Sarah Boyd, founder of The Formation, to discuss how Black women can navigate workplace challenges while protecting their wellbeing. Together, they unpack extraction culture, invisible labor, workplace boundaries, self-advocacy, and the difference between excellence and self-sacrifice. Sarah shares practical tools for making your contributions visible, reclaiming your voice, and building a career that supports the life you actually want to live.</p><h2>KEY TAKEAWAYS</h2><ul><li><strong>Excellence should never require self-betrayal.</strong> When your success consistently comes at the expense of your boundaries, you&#39;ve likely moved from excellence into extraction.</li><li><strong>Visibility isn&#39;t about proving your worth.</strong> It&#39;s about confidently documenting, communicating, and standing on the value you&#39;ve already created.</li><li><strong>Your career should support your life.</strong> Sustainable ambition starts with defining the life you want and making career decisions that align with it.</li></ul><h2>EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS &amp; TIMESTAMPS</h2><p><strong>06:42 — Making Invisible Labor Visible</strong></p><p>Sarah explains why documenting your contributions is essential and how Black women can advocate for their work without feeling like they&#39;re proving their worth.</p><p><strong>22:18 — The Difference Between Excellence and Extraction</strong></p><p>A powerful discussion about boundaries, overwork, and recognizing when workplace expectations have crossed the line into harmful extraction.</p><p><strong>39:55 — Why Your Career Should Fuel Your Life</strong></p><p>Sarah shares how shifting from &#34;What can I give my job?&#34; to &#34;What does my job give me?&#34; can transform your relationship with work.</p><p><strong>57:40 — Building Joyful Resilience and Reclaiming Ambition</strong></p><p>The conversation explores how Black women can pursue success, protect their peace, and create careers rooted in abundance rather than survival.</p><h2>A GENTLE INVITATION</h2><p>Before starting your next workweek, take ten minutes to reflect on this question:</p><p><strong>Is your current approach to work helping you build the life you want—or simply helping you survive your job?</strong></p><p>Write down one boundary you need to strengthen and one contribution you want to make more visible this month. Small shifts in self-advocacy can create more space for both success and wellbeing.</p><h2>SUPPORT THE SHOW</h2><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h2>STAY IN TOUCH</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h2>OUR SPONSORS</h2><p>Super.com: Visit Super.com for more details.</p><p>Sista Afya Community Care: <a href="http://sistaafya.com/" rel="nofollow">www.sistaafya.com</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Opt Into Success Without Self-Abandonment with Sarah Boyd

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<p>Last week, Kelley shared that she had entered a season of thawing—a period of finally feeling safe enough to stop bracing for impact. This week, she returns with an unexpected discovery: healing hasn&#39;t brought certainty. Instead, it has brought questions.</p><p>Drawing inspiration from Zora Neale Hurston&#39;s reminder that &#34;there are years that ask questions and years that answer,&#34; Kelley reflects on the deeper inquiries emerging in this season of her life. From reconsidering what she truly needs to thrive to redefining what she wants to be proud of, she explores the difference between performing healing and integrating it. Through personal stories, field notes, and honest observations, this episode offers a glimpse into what happens when you stop chasing answers and start listening to yourself.</p><h2>KEY TAKEAWAYS</h2><ul><li><strong>Healing isn&#39;t always about finding answers—it can be about learning to ask better questions.</strong></li><li><strong>Thriving requires honoring what you actually need, not what you&#39;ve been taught should make you happy or successful.</strong></li><li><strong>Integration matters more than performance. Becoming whole is different from appearing healed.</strong></li></ul><h2>EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS &amp; TIMESTAMPS</h2><ul><li><strong>04:56 – The Paris Question That Changed Everything</strong></li><li>Kelley shares the moment she realized that authenticity, creativity, and passion mattered more to her than the dream she had spent years pursuing.</li><li><strong>12:42 – What Do You Want to Be Proud Of?</strong></li><li>A reflection on moving beyond external achievement and redefining success based on the quality of your life, not just what you produce.</li><li><strong>20:31 – What People Think of Me Is None of My Business</strong></li><li>Kelley unpacks one of her most important field notes from this season and explores the freedom that comes from releasing the burden of others&#39; opinions.</li><li><strong>31:47 – Becoming Reachable to Yourself Again</strong></li><li>A powerful closing reflection on thawing, healing, and the realization that growth may not be about becoming someone new—but returning to yourself.</li></ul><h2>A GENTLE INVITATION</h2><p>This week, choose one question instead of searching for one answer.</p><p>Ask yourself: <strong>What do I actually need to thrive right now?</strong></p><p>Resist the urge to solve everything at once. Write down whatever comes up, even if it&#39;s incomplete. Sometimes healing isn&#39;t found in certainty. Sometimes it&#39;s found in creating enough space to hear yourself tell the truth.</p><p>If this episode resonated with you, consider sharing it with someone who may be navigating their own season of questions. You don&#39;t have to have everything figured out to keep moving forward. Sometimes curiosity is enough.</p><h2>SUPPORT THE SHOW</h2><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h2>STAY IN TOUCH</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h2>OUR SPONSORS</h2><p>Super.com: Visit Super.com for more details.</p><p>Sista Afya Community Care: <a href="http://sistaafya.com" rel="nofollow">www.sistaafya.com</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Healing, Identity & the Questions I'm Asking Myself Now

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<p>In this Mental Health Month bonus episode, Kelley sits down with Ashlee Edwards, founder and CEO of MindRight, to discuss community-centered mental health support for Black women. Together, they explore why healing shouldn’t begin only in crisis, how community care helps protect our capacity for joy, and what it looks like to build more human-centered systems of support through technology, intention, and connection.</p><h3>Key Takeaways</h3><ul><li>Mental health support should begin before burnout or crisis, not only after things fall apart.</li><li>Community care is a powerful tool for healing, resilience, and protecting Black women from systems that demand overextension.</li><li>Technology can support emotional wellness when it is used to deepen human connection rather than replace it.</li></ul><h3>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps</h3><ul><li><strong>00:01 – Why Black women deserve support before the “crash-out”</strong></li><li>Kelley and Ashlee discuss shifting mental health care from crisis intervention to everyday support and community care.</li><li><strong>05:20 – Protecting our capacity for joy</strong></li><li>Ashlee shares why conversations about mental health must include intergenerational wisdom, joy, and abundance—not just trauma.</li><li><strong>11:17 – Can technology support healing without replacing humanity?</strong></li><li>A nuanced conversation about AI, trust, emotional support, and why MindRight prioritizes real humans on the other side of the screen.</li><li><strong>23:00 – What joy looks like in practice</strong></li><li>Ashlee reflects on spirituality, nature, intentional living, and the decisions she makes to actively protect her wellbeing.</li></ul><h3>Gentle Invitation</h3><p>This week, consider one small way you can support your emotional wellbeing before you reach exhaustion. Maybe that looks like asking for support, spending time near something that grounds you, or letting yourself receive care instead of always being the one giving it. The goal isn’t perfection—it’s consistency and remembering that staying human is the work.</p><h3>Connect with Ashlee Edwards</h3><ul><li>Instagram: @IYA_Ashlee</li><li>MindRight Website: MindRight</li><li>Text MindRight for support: <strong>Text 886-886</strong></li><li>Learn more about MindRight’s community-centered emotional support platform for Black communities and Black women.</li></ul><h3>Support the Show</h3><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h3>Stay in Touch</h3><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h3>Our Sponsors</h3><p>Super.com: Visit Super.com for more details.</p><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

You Don’t Have to Wait for the Crash-Out: Community Care & Black Women’s Mental Health

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<p>Sometimes grief doesn’t look like falling apart — sometimes it looks like becoming incredibly productive. In this episode, Kelley reflects on the realization that she had been producing healing instead of actually experiencing it, and how years of survival mode, caregiving, medical trauma, and loss shaped her relationship to grief. Through personal storytelling and thoughtful reflection, she explores how Black women are often culturally rewarded for over-functioning while quietly disconnecting from themselves emotionally.</p><p>This conversation is an invitation to recognize the difference between narrating healing and truly inhabiting it. Kelley also introduces the idea of “the thaw” — the slow process of returning to yourself after prolonged survival mode — and shares why softness, embodiment, and emotional honesty matter now more than ever.</p><h3>KEY TAKEAWAYS</h3><ul><li>Grief doesn’t always look emotional — sometimes it looks like productivity, over-functioning, and survival mode.</li><li>Many Black women are taught to intellectualize pain and keep moving instead of fully feeling and processing loss.</li><li>Healing may begin not with becoming “better,” but with becoming reachable to yourself again.</li></ul><h3>EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS &amp; TIMESTAMPS</h3><h3>00:01:00 — When Productivity Becomes a Mask for Grief</h3><p>Kelley explores the realization that she had been “producing healing” instead of fully experiencing it and reflects on the pressure to turn pain into purpose too quickly.</p><h3>00:05:00 — The Three Books That Cracked Everything Open</h3><p>A conversation about art, grief, emotional release, and the moment Kelley realized how long it had been since she truly allowed herself to feel.</p><h3>00:11:20 — Survival Mode, Trauma, and the Black Woman Freeze Response</h3><p>Kelley shares the cascade of events from the last several years — illness, caregiving, business instability, and loss — and how prolonged survival mode can disconnect us from ourselves emotionally.</p><h3>00:19:00 — What “The Thaw” Looks Like</h3><p>Kelley introduces the beginning of her thawing process: slowing down, reconnecting to her body, and learning how to return to herself gently after years of bracing for impact.</p><h3>A GENTLE INVITATION</h3><p>Take a moment this week to ask yourself:</p><p>Where have I been over-functioning instead of truly feeling?</p><p>Maybe your nervous system has been protecting you. Maybe the numbness isn’t failure — maybe it’s survival. Give yourself permission to slow down long enough to notice what your body, heart, or spirit might be trying to say.</p><p>And if this episode resonated with you, share it with another Black woman who may need the reminder that healing doesn’t have to be optimized to be real.</p><h3>SUPPORT THE SHOW</h3><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h3>STAY IN TOUCH</h3><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h3>OUR SPONSORS</h3><p>Super.com: Visit Super.com for more details.</p><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

You Cannot Optimize Your Way Out of Grief

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<p>In this episode, Kelley is joined by political analyst, writer, and speaker Zerlina Maxwell for a powerful conversation about visibility, truth-telling, and navigating the pressure of being a Black woman in public spaces. Together, they explore the emotional toll of constantly having to prove yourself, the importance of boundaries, and what it means to remain grounded while living and working in highly demanding environments.</p><p>Zerlina shares reflections on ambition, identity, and protecting your peace while still pursuing meaningful work. This conversation is an honest reminder that you do not have to abandon yourself in order to be impactful, successful, or seen.</p><h2>Key Takeaways</h2><ul><li><strong>Visibility comes with emotional weight.</strong> Being seen and heard—especially as a Black woman—often carries pressure, scrutiny, and exhaustion that require intentional care.</li><li><strong>Boundaries protect your humanity.</strong> Rest, limits, and stepping back are necessary practices for sustainability, not signs of weakness.</li><li><strong>You can pursue impact without self-abandonment.</strong> Success and meaningful work do not have to come at the expense of your well-being.</li></ul><h2>Episode Highlights</h2><ul><li><strong>03:08 – Navigating Public Life as a Black Woman</strong></li><li>Zerlina reflects on the challenges of visibility, criticism, and existing authentically in high-pressure spaces.</li><li><strong>07:42 – The Pressure to Constantly Prove Yourself</strong></li><li>A deeper discussion about overperformance, perfectionism, and the emotional labor many Black women carry in professional environments.</li><li><strong>14:19 – Protecting Your Peace With Boundaries</strong></li><li>Kelley and Zerlina explore the importance of rest, emotional boundaries, and creating sustainable rhythms while doing impactful work.</li><li><strong>21:37 – Redefining Success Beyond Exhaustion</strong></li><li>A closing reflection on choosing fulfillment, alignment, and self-preservation over constant striving and burnout.</li></ul><h2>A Gentle Invitation</h2><p>If this episode resonated, take a moment to reflect on where you may be overextending yourself in order to feel worthy, successful, or accepted. Consider one boundary or act of self-preservation that could support you this week.</p><p>Listen to the full episode, share it with someone navigating pressure or visibility fatigue, and leave a review if this conversation supported you. Choosing yourself alongside your ambitions is part of building a life rooted in sustainability, care, and truth.</p><h2>Connect with Zerlina</h2><ul><li>Radio Show: <a href="https://www.siriusxm.com/blog/mornings-with-zerlina" rel="nofollow">Mornings with Zerlina Maxwell</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/zerlinamaxwell/" rel="nofollow">@ZerlinaMaxwell</a></li><li>Substack: <a href="https://zerlinamaxwell.substack.com/?utm_campaign=profile_chips" rel="nofollow">Inner Work Dispatch</a><em> </em>(available wherever books are sold)</li></ul><h2>Support the Show</h2><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h2>Stay in Touch</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h2>Our Sponsors</h2><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

The Life You Worked For Might Be Exhausting You W/ Zerlina Maxwell

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<p>In this episode, Kelley sits down with mindfulness teacher and creative visionary Oneika Mays for a grounding conversation about breath, presence, and reclaiming joy as a daily practice. Together, they explore how mindfulness can help Black women reconnect with themselves in a world that often rewards constant output over inner peace.</p><p>Oneika shares how breathwork, creativity, and intentional pauses have supported her healing journey and helped her cultivate more spaciousness, clarity, and joy. This conversation is a reminder that rest and mindfulness are not luxuries—they are pathways back to yourself.</p><h2>Key Takeaways</h2><ul><li><strong>Breath creates space for healing.</strong> Intentional breathing and mindfulness practices can help regulate your nervous system and reconnect you to the present moment.</li><li><strong>Joy is a practice, not just a feeling.</strong> Cultivating joy often requires intentional choices, boundaries, and moments of pause.</li><li><strong>Mindfulness supports sustainable living.</strong> Slowing down and becoming more present helps you move through life with greater clarity, care, and alignment.</li></ul><h2>Episode Highlights</h2><ul><li><strong>02:16 – Oneika’s Journey Into Mindfulness and Breathwork </strong>Oneika shares how mindfulness became an essential part of her healing and self-connection journey.</li><li><strong>06:48 – Why Black Women Need Space to Pause </strong>A thoughtful discussion about the cultural pressures Black women face and the importance of creating room for rest and presence.</li><li><strong>11:27 – Breath as a Tool for Regulation and Clarity </strong>Kelley and Oneika explore how simple breathing practices can support emotional wellness and nervous system care.</li><li><strong>18:04 – Reclaiming Black Joy Through Presence and Creativity </strong>A closing reflection on joy, creativity, and giving yourself permission to experience softness and ease in everyday life.</li></ul><h2>A Gentle Invitation</h2><p>If this episode resonated, give yourself permission to pause today—even for a few intentional breaths. Notice what shifts when you slow down long enough to reconnect with yourself in the present moment.</p><p>Listen to the full episode, share it with someone who may need a reminder to breathe and soften, and leave a review if this conversation supported you. Each moment of mindfulness is an act of choosing yourself with care and intention.</p><h2>Connect with Oneika</h2><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.oneikamays.com/" rel="nofollow">Oneika Mays</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/oneikamays/" rel="nofollow">@oneikamays</a></li><li>Pre-order the book: <a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/sit-with-me-oneika-mays?variant=43876134387746" rel="nofollow">Sit With Me</a><em> </em>(available wherever books are sold)</li></ul><h2>Support the Show</h2><p>Like, follow, and subscribe across all platforms. Find us @blackgirlburnout.</p><p>Subscribe to our newsletter at blackgirlburnout.com. Watch on YouTube. Drop a review — your words make a real difference, and they warm Kelley&#39;s whole heart every single time.</p><h2>Stay in Touch</h2><p><a href="https://blackgirlburnout.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Join our Substack family</a> for weekly reflections, tools, and behind-the-scenes notes from Kelley.</p><p>Become a paid subscriber ($8/month) for exclusive resources and monthly workshops.</p><h2>Our Sponsors</h2><p>Savvy Ladies Free Financial Helpline: <a href="https://www.savvyladies.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.savvyladies.org/</a></p><p>Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a> | Privacy &amp; Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">RedCircle</a></p><br/><br/>Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br/><br/>Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Breath, Mindfulness, and Black Joy with Onieka Mays

In this grounding conversation, Kelley and Onieka Mays explore how breathwork, mindfulness, and intentional pauses can help Black women reconnect with themselves and reclaim joy. This episode is a gentle reminder that rest, presence, and softness are not luxuries—they are necessary practices for healing and sustainable well-being.

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Breath, Mindfulness, and Black Joy with Oneika Mays

Black Girl Burnout is a podcast hosted by Kelley Bonner dedicated to helping black women manage the stress of daily living and preventing the detrimental effects of burnout. Black women often feel overburdened and undervalued, and this podcast offers...

Black Girl Burnout is a podcast hosted by Kelley Bonner dedicated to helping black women manage the stress of daily living and preventing the detrimental effects of burnout. Black women often feel overburdened and undervalued, and this podcast offers palpable solutions for this undeniable phenomenon. Bonner is a licensed therapist with over 15 years of experience helping people and organizations transform, evolve, and heal burnout. Each week, she dives deep on topics around burnout including career burnout, relationship burnout, and how racism and sexism contribute to the acceleration of burnout-in just 15 minutes! Bonners helps listeners develop the tools to combat and overcome burnout. During each episode, she guides listeners through bite-sized and manageable practices that provide immediate relief by leaning into their own intuition and becoming more engaged and connected with themselves and their surroundings.