I&#39;m Dr. Margaret, a psychologist for over 30 years, TEDx speaker, and the author of Perfectly Hidden Depression. I created The SelfWork Podcast in 2016 to explain mental health treatment and to give you the chance to consider therapy without thinking it&#39;s weird or that it somehow suggests you can&#39;t fix your own problems. My team is very honored that nine years later, SelfWork has earned nearly 5 million downloads! Each episode features the popular listener question as well as interviews with outstanding guests, authors, and experts, adding to the wide diversity of topics listeners so appreciate. Regularly rated as one of the top mental health/depression podcasts out there (ranked as a top .5% internationally) I keep it short, casual, and focused on &#34;what you can do about it.&#34; I&#39;d love to hear from you. Please join me.

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Today, Dr. Margaret focuses on what &#34;asking for help&#34; in the context of mental health... actually means.So many will tell you that asking for help reflects weakeness.I’d like to challenge that thought. And I’ve got great help from the little book <a href="https://www.google.com/search?kgmid=%2Fg%2F11fjy6_bzz&q=The+Boy%2C+the+Mole%2C+the+Fox+and+the+Horse" rel="nofollow">The Boy, the Mole, the Fox and the Horse</a> by Charlie Mackesy.Here’s the quote itself:<ul><li>The Boy asks: “What is the bravest thing you’ve ever said?”</li><li>The Horse answers: “Help.”</li><li>The Horse adds: “Asking for help isn’t giving up. It’s refusing to give up.”</li><li> </li></ul>Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go.<a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode. Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Today, Dr. Margaret focuses on what &#34;asking for help&#34; in the context of mental health... actually means. 

So many will tell you that asking for help reflects weakeness. 

I’d like to challenge that thought. And I’ve got great help from the little book The Boy, the Mole, the Fox and the Horse by Charlie Mackesy.

Here’s the quote itself:

The Boy asks: “What is the bravest thing you’ve ever said?”
The Horse answers: “Help.”
The Horse adds: “Asking for help isn’t giving up. It’s refusing to give up.”

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521 SelfWork: What Does "Asking For Help" Truly Mean?

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Today’s episode of SelfWork was suggested by the last episode of Ted Lasso, in which Rebecca talked about grief and the messy feelings it can bring with it.<a href="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8HNRdiWhZUw" rel="nofollow">Rebecca tells Ted,</a> &#34;We laugh, we hurt, we fall, we get back up. We&#39;re a mess. And that is… fantastic. Because being messy just means being alive. And we could all do with being a bit more alive.&#34;Or… not. Some people fear this messiness – they much prefer staying in control. And I understand and respect that.And yet… if you’re one of those people, if you’ve never allowed yourself to feel all of what you can feel, I’d like to propose the idea that if fear is keeping you away those emotions, then that can become its own trap. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Today’s episode of SelfWork was suggested by the last episode of Ted Lasso, in which Rebecca talked about grief and the messy feelings it can bring with it.

Rebecca tells Ted, &#34;We laugh, we hurt, we fall, we get back up. We&#39;re a mess. And that is… fantastic. Because being messy just means being alive. And we could all do with being a bit more alive.&#34;

Or… not. Some people fear this messiness – they much prefer staying in control. And I understand and respect that.

And yet… if you’re one of those people, if you’ve never allowed yourself to feel all of what you can feel, I’d like to propose the idea that if fear is keeping you away those emotions, then that can become its own trap.

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520 SelfWork: The Exhilarating Messiness of Grief

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Dr. Margaret and her TEDx speech coach, Brian Miller, talk about challenging the fear of public speaking and the importance of human connection.&#34;Go out and make a dent in the universe.&#34; These are the words I heard from<a href="https://www.brianmillerspeaks.com/" rel="nofollow"> Brian Miller</a>, three years ago, weeks before I was to give my TEDxBocaRaton talk on perfectly hidden depression.<h2>Daring to face the fear of public speaking...</h2>But why did I ask Brian to be on SelfWork? Probably not many of you give actual speeches, although some of you might. You may make presentations at work. You may be helping your child with a project they&#39;re doing. You may be on a committee where you&#39;re leading people.Or you may avoid those things like the plague.One reason is that the fear of public speaking is <a href="https://nationalsocialanxietycenter.com/social-anxiety/public-speaking-anxiety/" rel="nofollow">the most common anxiety or fear</a> that any of us can have. It beats out a fear of spiders or heights - or even death itself. It belongs in a similar realm as <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/313-selfwork-five-steps-to-build-your-social-muscle-and-tackle-self-consciousness-and-social-anxiety/" rel="nofollow">social anxiety,</a> which is its close cousin.But I think Brian&#39;s message is much more than about making speeches. It&#39;s about human connection. It&#39;s about getting out of your own need to be successful at whatever you&#39;re doing and to care instead about how to serve and connect with others.It&#39;s about accepting the challenge - that you can be the person who makes that dent - however you want to do it.<h2> </h2> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Dr. Margaret and her TEDx speech coach, Brian Miller, talk about challenging the fear of public speaking and the importance of human connection.

&#34;Go out and make a dent in the universe.&#34; These are the words I heard from Brian Miller, three years ago, weeks before I was to give my TEDxBocaRaton talk on perfectly hidden depression.

Daring to face the fear of public speaking...
But why did I ask Brian to be on SelfWork? Probably not many of you give actual speeches, although some of you might. You may make presentations at work. You may be helping your child with a project they&#39;re doing. You may be on a committee where you&#39;re leading people.

Or you may avoid those things like the plague.

But you don&#39;t have to be. You can go out and make a dent in your own universe.

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519 SelfWork: Daring to Face the Fear of Public Speaking (And Other Anxieties)

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Today we&#39;re talking with two experts on tuning into your own intuition.Sarah Gregg is a psychologist and a published author with over 90,000 copies of her books sold. And Jill Ritchie is a highly sought after intuitive coach who&#39;s worked with Olympians, celebrities, and high achieving entrepreneurs to help them really begin learn how to trust their intuition and step into their best selves, their highest selves.And when these two women got together, what a powerful combo they made.I know that my own intuition has been a part of my life as a therapist. So, I was eager to hear how these two women came to believe and create <a href="https://www.intuitive-psychology.com/" rel="nofollow">The Intuitive Psychology Association.</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Today we&#39;re talking with two experts on tuning into your own intuition.

Sarah Gregg is a psychologist and a published author with over 90,000 copies of her books sold. And Jill Ritchie is a highly sought after intuitive coach who&#39;s worked with Olympians, celebrities, and high achieving entrepreneurs to help them really begin learn how to trust their intuition and step into their best selves, their highest selves.

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518 SelfWork: How To Use Your Innate Intuition to Heal and Grow

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There’s a word for intense fear of change. Metathesiophobia.That’s when your fear of change is so strong and affects your life so intensely that you’ve developed an actual phobia around change. If that has become the case, then you’d avoid any change in your life as much as possible and stay in a constant state of agitation or vigilance about potential change.But change is inevitable. Time brings change. People change. Children change. Circumstances change. Cultures change. Even beliefs can change.Yet you could live a life denying change. You could keep treating your kids like kids, instead of seeing them grow into their own beings. You could fight your body changing and aging with all sorts of anti-aging products. You could see cultural change and fear it so much that you become paranoid about its impact and fight against it, surrounding yourself with people who share your beliefs. And share your fear.In this episode of SelfWork, we’ll tackle this very important distinction: how you’re fearing something because of the limited information you have about it, not realizing how your own assumptions about it are keeping you afraid.<h2>Important Links:</h2>Click <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FKSHQY9T?channelId=500&lv=shuf&plpRedirect=mhFallback" rel="nofollow">here</a> to order the PHD Workbook!Click here to find out more about <a href="https://www.pesi.com/productgroupcampaigns/bh_global_partner_affiliate_151033-9256/?_ef_transaction_id=0e34c9b9f80c4814a14cbfb539ce0089&utm_campaign=LWC151033&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=Dr.+Margaret+Rutherford" rel="nofollow">Dr. Margaret&#39;s PESI course on perfectionism and depression</a> on November 2, 2026! It&#39;s virtual! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

There’s a word for intense fear of change. Metathesiophobia.

That’s when your fear of change is so strong and affects your life so intensely that you’ve developed an actual phobia around change. If that has become the case, then you’d avoid any change in your life as much as possible and stay in a constant state of agitation or vigilance about potential change.

But change is inevitable. Time brings change. People change. Children change. Circumstances change. Cultures change. Even beliefs can change.

In this episode of SelfWork, we’ll tackle this very important distinction: how you’re fearing something because of the limited information you have about it, not realizing how your own assumptions about it are keeping you afraid.

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517 SelfWork: Challenging Your Fear and The Underlying Assumptions That Keep It Alive

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Having a panic disorder is bad enough.You may be able to anticipate it happening; for example, if you tend to panic when you see a spider or a snake.But other times, panic attacks – the sudden onset of intense symptoms of anxiety, such as trouble breathing, your heart racing, feelings of wanting or even needing to flee, tunnel vision, sweating, trembling – these very unwelcome and unexpected feelings come upon you like a freight train suddenly roaring toward you - going its fastest speed. It can truly feel as if you’ve been invaded by some other being and the attacks themselves can be very frightening, especially if you have no idea what they are.<h2>Panicked About Panic...</h2>Yet what can easily begin to happen - after you’ve had a few of these highly unpleasant and even humiliating attacks – you can begin to fear them. You can see ahead and realize that you might have to deal with one at a time when you have responsibilities, duties, things to do.And so… you become panicked about panic.In this episode of SelfWork, we&#39;ll focus on five surefire ways to calm your nervous system and deal with &#34;panic about panic.&#34; <h2>Episode -Specific Links:</h2><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6s&v=AwBwPs46TJk" rel="nofollow">Dr. Saunders&#39; YouTube video on these five calming techniques</a>!<a href="https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/panic-disorder-and-anxiety" rel="nofollow">Goodreads recommendations for &#34;best self-help books for panic disorder&#34;</a><h2>Important Links:</h2>Click <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FKSHQY9T?channelId=500&lv=shuf&plpRedirect=mhFallback" rel="nofollow">here</a> to order the PHD Workbook!Click here to find out more about <a href="https://www.pesi.com/productgroupcampaigns/bh_global_partner_affiliate_151033-9256/?_ef_transaction_id=0e34c9b9f80c4814a14cbfb539ce0089&utm_campaign=LWC151033&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=Dr.+Margaret+Rutherford" rel="nofollow">Dr. Margaret&#39;s PESI course on perfectionism and depression</a> on November 2, 2026! It&#39;s virtual! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Having a panic disorder is bad enough.

You may be able to anticipate it happening; for example, if you tend to panic when you see a spider or a snake.

But other times, panic attacks – the sudden onset of intense symptoms of anxiety, such as trouble breathing, your heart racing, feelings of wanting or even needing to flee, tunnel vision, sweating, trembling – these very unwelcome and unexpected feelings come upon you like a freight train suddenly roaring toward you - going its fastest speed. It can truly feel as if you’ve been invaded by some other being and the attacks themselves can be very frightening, especially if you have no idea what they are.

Panicked About Panic...
Yet what can easily begin to happen - after you’ve had a few of these highly unpleasant and even humiliating attacks – you can begin to fear them. You can see ahead and realize that you might have to deal with one at a time when you have responsibilities, duties, things to do.

And so… you become panicked about panic.

In this episode of SelfWork, we&#39;ll focus on five surefire ways to calm your nervous system and deal with &#34;panic about panic.&#34;

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516 SelfWork: Panicked About Panic: 5 Surefire Ways to Calm Your Nervous System

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Today we&#39;ll focus on <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/008-selfwork-learning-the-true-skills-of-listening/" rel="nofollow">how to listen to someone</a> so that they feel truly understood and seen.And it may not be a kind of listening that you know about. It&#39;s a method called &#34;affect labeling&#34; - meaning labeling the emotions of the person you&#39;re listening to. And our expert today is Doug Noll, who teaches this method all over the world.This episode will teach you this new way of listening that is amazingly effective! Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go.<a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode. Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Today we&#39;ll focus on how to listen to someone so that they feel truly understood and seen.

And it may not be a kind of listening that you know about. It&#39;s a method called &#34;affect labeling&#34; - meaning labeling the emotions of the person you&#39;re listening to. And our expert today is Doug Noll, who teaches this method all over the world.

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515 SelfWork: Enhance Your Skills: Listening Someone Into Existence with Doug Noll

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Today I&#39;m focusing on three role models in my own life and the questions you can ask to help you identify your own.Who are they? Dolly Parton. Maya Angelou. And a woman named &#34;Snooky.&#34;How does someone become a role model for you?Someone in your life may know that you look up to them, that you want to emulate them in some way.Others role models will never know it. You simply know of them. Or you’ve read their writings. Heard their songs. Watched them from afar.This episode will help you find your own role models and begin to put the values you choose into your life! Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go.<a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode. Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Dolly Parton, Maya Angelou, and A Woman Named Snooky.

Today I&#39;m focusing on three role models in my own life and the questions you can ask to help you identify your own. 

Dolly Parton. Maya Angelou. And a woman named &#34;Snooky.&#34;

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514 SelfWork: Three Essential Questions to Identify Your Role Model

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You may never have been on the inside of a psych ward. In his new book, JaKob Williams takes you there.Or at least, he takes you to his version of a residential psych ward.He&#39;s an interesting guy. Brilliant. Sarcastic. Successful. Driven. Creative. Funny.And he has bipolar disorder, which sometimes gets the better of him. He becomes manic, and even psychotic. As he says...&#34;You talk about PHD. Perfectly hidden depression. I&#39;m POM. Perfectly obvious mania.&#34;Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go. <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode. Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

You may never have been on the inside of a psych ward. In his new book, JaKob Williams takes you there.

Or at least, he takes you to his version of a residential psych ward.

He&#39;s an interesting guy. Brilliant. Sarcastic. Successful. Driven. Creative. Funny.

And he has bipolar disorder, which sometimes gets the better of him. He becomes manic, and even psychotic. As he says...

&#34;You talk about PHD. Perfectly hidden depression. I&#39;m POM. Perfectly obvious mania.&#34;

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513 SelfWork: Inside A Psych Ward: A New Book by JaKob Williams, Chock Full of Nuts

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Dr. Nick Wignall continues as Dr. Margaret&#39;s guest this week, as we switch from focusing on emotional fitness to the 100% effective CBT tool for curing insomnia, called sleep compression.It&#39;s hard to believe that in ten years of doing SelfWork, I don&#39;t remember an episode where we were focusing on insomnia, although I hear about it on a regular basis all the time. We&#39;ve talked about &#34;sleep disturbance&#34; frequently in the context of classic depression, bipolar disorder, <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/483-selfwork-flashbacks-and-nightmares-healing-fear-and-finding-peace/" rel="nofollow">nightmares,</a> or anxiety. So when Nick told me one of this areas of expertise was insomnia, I jumped at it.<h2>How does sleep compression work?</h2><a href="https://nickwignall.com/sleep-compression/" rel="nofollow">Nick goes on to describe the technique called sleep compression</a> (a term I&#39;d never heard) that is a CBT - or cognitive behavioral therapy tool - that is 100% effective for insomnia. It&#39;s fascinating to hear and makes such common sense. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Dr. Nick Wignall continues as Dr. Margaret&#39;s guest this week, as we switch from focusing on emotional fitness to the 100% effective CBT tool for curing insomnia, called sleep compression.

It&#39;s hard to believe that in ten years of doing SelfWork, I don&#39;t remember an episode where we were focusing on insomnia, although I hear about it on a regular basis all the time. We&#39;ve talked about &#34;sleep disturbance&#34; frequently in the context of classic depression, bipolar disorder, nightmares, or anxiety. So when Nick told me one of this areas of expertise was insomnia, I jumped at it.

How does sleep compression work?
Nick goes on to describe the technique called sleep compression (a term I&#39;d never heard) that is a CBT - or cognitive behavioral therapy tool - that is 100% effective for insomnia. It&#39;s fascinating to hear and makes such common sense.

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512 SelfWork: CBT for Insomnia and Its 100% Effective Cure: Dr. Nick Wignall

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Dr. Nick Wignall speaks about the vital importance of emotional fitness and becoming the hero of your life. This whole concept is intriguing and suggests that finding and maintaining your own sense of agency - of having some sense of and belief in your ability to have an impact on your life.Understanding emotional fitness is not just about recognizing the feelings we experience but also about actively managing them. Many people find themselves in situations where they feel overwhelmed by their emotions, which can lead to stress and anxiety. By implementing practices that enhance emotional fitness, individuals can learn to navigate these challenges more effectively.Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go. <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode. Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Dr. Nick Wignall speaks about the vital importance of emotional fitness and becoming the hero of your life. This whole concept is intriguing and suggests that finding and maintaining your own sense of agency - of having some sense of and belief in your ability to have an impact on your life.

Understanding emotional fitness is not just about recognizing the feelings we experience but also about actively managing them. Many people find themselves in situations where they feel overwhelmed by their emotions, which can lead to stress and anxiety. By implementing practices that enhance emotional fitness, individuals can learn to navigate these challenges more effectively.

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511 SelfWork: Emotional Fitness and Being The Hero Of Your Own Life: Dr. Nick Wignall

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This week – in fact to be punctual about it – on August 5th, 2026 – <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZg4SfIURg" rel="nofollow">the first episode of the new Ted Lasso season will be released.</a> Today, we&#39;re going to focus on the meaning of so many of Ted Lasso characters having secrets that they&#39;re keeping.... and the freedom they discover in the telling of them. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

This week – in fact to be punctual about it – on August 5th, 2026 – the first episode of the new Ted Lasso season was released. Today, we&#39;re going to focus on the meaning of so many of Ted Lasso characters having secrets that they&#39;re keeping.... and the freedom they discover in the telling of them.

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510 SelfWork: Ted Lasso, The Pandemic and The Power of Secrets

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EMDR Therapy is known for its treatment of trauma. Dr. Laurel Parnell teaches and demonstrates how it can be healing for emptiness and grief - when relationships were never loving and for when they&#39;re gone.Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go. <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode. Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

EMDR Therapy is known for its treatment of trauma. Dr. Laurel Parnell teaches and demonstrates how it can be healing for emptiness and grief - when relationships were never loving and for when they&#39;re gone.

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509 SelfWork: EMDR Therapy: How It Can Help Fill Emptiness and Release Grief with Dr. Laurel Parnell

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Disillusionment is defined in psychology as a &#34;belief collapse.&#34; And the grief that that implosion can cause can be very hard to work through.Today&#39;s focus will be on how to do just that - get through disillusionment.<h2>What is disillusionment?</h2>Disillusionment happens when something you desire or believe strongly is true and right – something that you’ve worked hard to create or to build - crashes into a harsh reality.So many of my clients through the years have been disillusioned, demoralized people. They have reached a level of pain in their hearts and very souls that feels overwhelming.Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go. <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode. Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Disillusionment is defined in psychology as a &#34;belief collapse.&#34; And the grief that that implosion can cause can be very hard to work through.

Today&#39;s focus will be on how to do just that - get through disillusionment.

What is disillusionment?
Disillusionment happens when something you desire or believe strongly is true and right – something that you’ve worked hard to create or to build - crashes into a harsh reality.

So many of my clients through the years have been disillusioned, demoralized people. They have reached a level of pain in their hearts and very souls that feels overwhelming.

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508 SelfWork: The Eye-Opening Grief of Disillusionment and Heartbreak

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The subject for today is how to talk with a perfectionist about your concern for them. Or if you’re the perfectionist, how to allow someone into your world enough for you to hear that concern. I&#39;ll offer five definite approaches that work and you&#39;ll learn about the feedback loop that makes perfectionism addictive. Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go.<a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode. Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

The subject for today is how to talk with a perfectionist about your concern for them. Or if you’re the perfectionist, how to allow someone into your world enough for you to hear that concern. I&#39;ll offer five definite approaches that work and you&#39;ll learn about the feedback loop that makes perfectionism addictive.

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507 SelfWork: How to Effectively Talk To A Perfectionist

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Therapy harm is the topic this week, as Dr. Margaret welcomes her guest Dr. Patricia Dixon to SelfWork.<h2>What is therapy harm?</h2>We talk more openly than ever about the benefits of therapy, but less about the ways therapy can unintentionally cause harm. And harm does happen far too often with therapists who do things or say things that hurt their clients. Maybe it’s over-sharing, being dismissive of something their client is trying to describe, invalidating their experience. Or perhaps even worse, letting a client know of an attraction to them that they feel. <h2>Dr. Patricia Dixon, an expert in therapy harm and what&#39;s termed &#34;colorism&#34;</h2>Today <a href="https://www.amazon.com/African-American-Relationships-Marriages-Families-ebook/dp/B0GFP6FSSM/ref=sr_1_1?_encoding=UTF8&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Db1HkAYfQBWgJQXx7-VYfQwok9NtlKgt2eaPMKE6Z72ES4sxrY3voTy3hGjgXeD0aNJeckw6rcyvLHOZH92kyA.K4KUYBOOGtuBSBCEcjvECNxxyoKKS8Ls5Ua87pgnMPA&dib_tag=se&keywords=B001IYXIEM&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1783621803&s=digital-text&shoppingPortalEnabled=true&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">psychologist and mental health advocate Dr. Patricia Dixon</a> is shedding light on the often misunderstood concept of “therapy harm.” She explains what it is, how it can happen even with the best intentions, and why clients who experience it often struggle to speak up. We’re also going to focus on what’s called “colorism” - when fairer skin becomes an avenue toward privilege - and how she addresses that in her teaching and practice. Colorism happens in multiple cultures and is so important to legitimize as happening regularly.Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you make decisions about what to keep about your perfectionism and what to challenge. <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode.Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork!  Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Today psychologist and mental health advocate Dr. Patricia Dixon is shedding light on the often misunderstood concept of “therapy harm.” She explains what it is, how it can happen even with the best intentions, and why clients who experience it often struggle to speak up. We’re also going to focus on what’s called “colorism” - when fairer skin becomes an avenue toward privilege - and how she addresses that in her teaching and practice. Colorism happens in multiple cultures and is so important to legitimize as happening regularly.

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506 SelfWork: Therapy Harm: Straight Talk with Dr. Patricia Dixon

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What&#39;s the most recent news for depression sufferers in 2026?That&#39;s the question Dr. Margaret researched today. Some new treatments are available now; some are still trying to get FDA approval. But there&#39;s a lot of promise out there, especially for what&#39;s termed treatment-resistant depression.There&#39;s also a new book out, Rethinking Suicide, that points out more recent research findings in suicide prevention. Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go. <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode. Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

What&#39;s the most recent news for depression sufferers in 2026?

That&#39;s the question Dr. Margaret researched today. Some new treatments are available now; some are still trying to get FDA approval. But there&#39;s a lot of promise out there, especially for what&#39;s termed treatment-resistant depression.

There&#39;s also a new book out, Rethinking Suicide, that points out more recent research findings in suicide prevention.

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505 SelfWork: What's The Most Recent News For Depression Sufferers in 2026?

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Dr. Margaret will focus today on questions and answers that listeners have sent her by either voicemail or email.First topic for today: Is anorexia back &#34;in&#34; as beautiful? Second: Why could you be allowing your mom (with borderline traits) to occupy such emotional space in your life? And third: If I&#39;m openly sad when my son is getting ready to leave home, am I unintentionally setting him up to feel guilty? I so appreciate it when either listeners to the podcast or readers on my website comment to me, leave me a Speakpipe voicemail, or send in an email! So thank you to any and all of you who&#39;ve sent in questions and comments. Keep them coming!Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go. <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode.Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Dr. Margaret will focus today on questions and answers that listeners have sent her by either voicemail or email.

First topic for today: Is anorexia back &#34;in&#34; as beautiful? 

Second: Why could you be allowing your mom (with borderline traits) to occupy such emotional space in your life? 

And third: If I&#39;m openly sad when my son is getting ready to leave home, am I unintentionally setting him up to feel guilty?

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504 SelfWork: Your Questions and Answers: Is Anorexia Back "In", Borderline Moms, and Mother/Son Enmeshment

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Discover how to interpret the Enneagram in this episode of SelfWork! It&#39;s a personality test that&#39;s been around for decades. How is it different from other personality scales and what has made it so popular for so many years?Our expert speaker is <a href="https://sharkpartymedia-dot-yamm-track.appspot.com/2cL6qdPPkANr5w8xXj-3aykvWlQdyXObZt2txJr-yverpiV6_mQGsQTZqJtfe2TZkIB4dIi8a5iKjj16SKWoL6MUc1XeNsbGhziR6wtpupzAV3myltPgSEx_yl3aFZ3UJz1MD9eN3UlRbGEvCp2TnF---5nW-uvX9kJZ7WcMu6ZQ4gWzuSS3uVzUlZys" rel="nofollow">Courtney Smith</a>, who&#39;s a coach, group facilitator, and consultant who works with individuals and Fortune 500 companies to achieve change. She is a renowned practitioner of the Enneagram personality system, which she teaches alongside other personal development tools. She is the coauthor with Elise Loehnen of <a href="https://sharkpartymedia-dot-yamm-track.appspot.com/2Oy855idK6-kQwVBOrh9DRh9dshJyI1g7Qm1G5Dx1WarziV6_mQElvru77LTJgFiqCLnCdic0SUkb8-ICLROQmVBvzWwRihwKOaA4RxC19L75sO2wUdytxrD--i13V1Rgou0PoVx02v2fqYG4FMjVPTvAHHKyms9V14rWPDCVp4kPM2ILl3Zou7Kl0BbGGZwTc2GoZ07TGdOE2RgyjL2UGMxc26lmDh52oouAKTzqzYKlnyWJtPerbE6zCn0RhJFXq6hvTL_xDHMWbpg" rel="nofollow">Choosing Wholeness Over Goodness</a>. Courtney&#39;s newsletter is <a href="https://sharkpartymedia-dot-yamm-track.appspot.com/2Sf2Eb8tOIZAnhunIxnu6QM8Qgmd8ZU6VnI8Zb-45hZkAil6_mQF_PheRJkAN6wTu996VfMR3fkgU21IqI0roUFAAqrRL0bLjUA6AxU-2pqtteiZ3r7JK_otIfXrv_rbkbaCTKI_XJ-Lccyebsraq6qf_-5kNdkt2HMaKL5SxltuVddekIxX4Jgw06v7N5w" rel="nofollow">What We&#39;re Really Up To</a>.Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go.<a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode.Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork! Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

Our expert speaker is Courtney Smith, who&#39;s a coach, group facilitator, and consultant who works with individuals and Fortune 500 companies to achieve change. She is a renowned practitioner of the Enneagram personality system, which she teaches alongside other personal development tools.

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503 SelfWork: Important Insights Into How to Interpret the Enneagram with Courtney Smith

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In this SelfWork episode, Dr. Margaret interviews an expert on medical and mental trauma of chronic illness - Amy Kurtz.<a href="https://tracking.us.nylas.com/l/585b6fcc28854f3cb24b94b2d94f745b/0/1af513cc9c2ccce068868caa182a1529963cf18797f172ee610e6c743f4a7126?cache_buster=1772138439" rel="nofollow">194 million Americans</a>–more than 76 percent of the population–are living with chronic illness. Many eventually stabilize, but what happens when the body heals and you still don’t feel safe inside it?Patient advocate and health coach <a href="https://tracking.us.nylas.com/l/585b6fcc28854f3cb24b94b2d94f745b/1/011c62ba86ac3be543a7e9b7ce2ed955adc869993bad0dfca542def71c8e6794?cache_buster=1772138439" rel="nofollow">Amy Kurtz</a> knows this gap in our healthcare system firsthand. Having gone to 36 doctors, she was already exhausted from that decades-long effort. Finally hearing the diagnosis of late-stage neurological Lyme disease with co-infections, and getting the right treatment, her labs may have improved. But as her body began to stabilize, the fear didn’t fade. She lived in constant anticipation that her health would collapse again at any moment. It was her husband who finally named what she couldn’t: the illness may have receded, but the trauma hadn’t.  What emerged from that conversation is her book that came out this week - <a href="https://tracking.us.nylas.com/l/585b6fcc28854f3cb24b94b2d94f745b/2/403edd24027dec90ee54bd7956f772101001f9a6ee9fb6acb55f30779ced1642?cache_buster=1772138439" rel="nofollow">BUT YOU LOOK FINE</a> (Balance, June 9), an earnest guide to get through the dark tunnel of what she calls Medical Trauma Brain: the lingering imprint of illness that doesn’t disappear just because the diagnosis improves.Order <a href="https://a.co/d/bdw6yuN" rel="nofollow">The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook</a> - A stand-alone workbook exploring the ten traits of Perfectly Hidden Depression, with guided exercises to help you decide what to keep from your drive and perfectionism, and what to let go.<a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Be a part of the conversation</a> and join Dr. Margaret’s newsletter for one weekly email featuring the latest blog post and podcast episode. Have a question or comment? <a href="https://drmargaretrutherford.com/" rel="nofollow">Send a voice message</a> for possible use on the podcast. By recording, you give permission for your voice to be used on SelfWork!<h2> </h2> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

194 million Americans–more than 76 percent of the population–are living with chronic illness. Many eventually stabilize, but what happens when the body heals and you still don’t feel safe inside it?

Patient advocate and health coach Amy Kurtz knows this gap in our healthcare system firsthand. Having gone to 36 doctors, she was already exhausted from that decades-long effort. Finally hearing the diagnosis of late-stage neurological Lyme disease with co-infections, and getting the right treatment, her labs had improved. 

But as her body began to stabilize, the fear didn’t fade. . It was her husband who finally named what she couldn’t: the illness may have receded, but the trauma hadn’t. 

 What emerged from that conversation is her book that came out this week - BUT YOU LOOK FINE (Balance, June 9), an earnest guide to get through the dark tunnel of what she calls Medical Trauma Brain.

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502 SelfWork: The Medical and Mental Trauma of Chronic Invisible Illness with Amy Kurtz

I'm Dr. Margaret, a psychologist for over 30 years, TEDx speaker, and the author of Perfectly Hidden Depression. I created The SelfWork Podcast in 2016 to explain mental health treatment and to give you the chance to consider therapy without thinking it's weird or that it somehow suggests you can't fix your own problems. My team is very honored that nine years later, SelfWork has earned nearly 5 million downloads! Each episode features the popular listener question as well as interviews with outstanding guests, authors, and experts, adding to the wide diversity of topics listeners so appreciate. Regularly rated as one of the top mental health/depression podcasts out there (ranked as a top .5% internationally) I keep it short, casual, and focused on "what you can do about it." I'd love to hear from you. Please join me.