Welcome to Heaven or Heisman, the podcast where we blend faith, family, and sports to help you raise confident, resilient kids. In each episode, we dive into the challenges parents face when guiding their children through the world of athletics and beyond, all while grounding our advice in Biblical principles. From helping your child practice more to building their confidence, and teaching them how to embrace failure, we offer practical tips and relatable stories to make the journey a little easier (and a lot more fun).Whether you’re wondering how to encourage your child’s love for the game, help them develop a strong work ethic, or teach them to handle pressure with grace, Heaven or Heisman has you covered. Join us as we tackle key parenting moments in sports—balancing discipline with fun, praising effort over performance, and fostering character that lasts. Let’s navigate the world of youth sports together, one practice, one game, and one lesson at a time. Tune in for inspiring insights, faith-based wisdom, and a whole lot of heart!

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Jean and Luke break down the latest news from around the country on the state of youth sports. Why are 68% of families seriously considering quitting? What’s behind referee shortages? And which NBA players are setting a great example right now? Tune in to get up to speed, plus practical tips on how to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

In the News: 68% of Parents Consider Leaving Youth Sports Because...

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What does it really mean to be a great sports mom—and how can we help our kids grow without getting caught up in the pressure to win? Luke and Jean sit down with former college volleyball player, coach, and Positive Play Project founder Morgan Schill to talk about the challenges of navigating youth sports today. From an intense third-grade basketball game that got a little too serious to the difference between holding kids to high standards and putting too much pressure on them, Morgan shares why competition and fun don’t have to be at odds. She also challenges parents to get intentional about what they want their kids to gain from sports, beyond wins, losses, and playing time.Morgan introduces the idea of “letting them carry the bag”—giving kids age-appropriate responsibility so they can develop accountability, confidence, and resilience instead of having parents step in to solve every problem. The conversation also explores why more women in coaching and sports leadership can make a meaningful difference, especially in creating supportive environments where girls feel understood and want to keep playing. Because youth sports are about so much more than the scoreboard; they’re an opportunity to build character, strengthen relationships, and develop life skills that last long after the final whistle.

The Girls Episode! Keeping Girls in the Game with Morgan Schill

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What actually gives an athlete an edge at tryouts? Luke and Jean break down ten “tryout intangibles” that can make a difference when the competition gets tough—from communicating and listening to showing confidence, responding well to mistakes, playing defense, and being the teammate every coach wants on the court or field. They unpack why the little things matter, how coaches notice attitude and effort, and why a kid who hustles, encourages teammates, and bounces back after a mistake may stand out just as much as the kid with the biggest highlight reel.The conversation also goes beyond tryout day, challenging parents to think about the character and habits they’re helping their athletes build long before they walk into the gym. From developing a skill set without specializing too early to learning toughness, sportsmanship, and respect for coaches, Luke and Jean explore how these lessons can shape kids both in sports and in life. Because sometimes getting an edge isn’t about being the most talented player in the room—it’s about being the kind of person and teammate coaches can trust.

10 Tryout Intangibles

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What happens when the dream you’ve chased your whole life actually comes true? Luke and Jean sit down with FC Dallas’ Slade Starnes to talk about the winding road from a childhood dream to the professional level—and the injuries, sacrifices, setbacks, and faith that shaped him along the way. Slade shares what it was like to lose an entire year to injury, leave behind longtime friends to pursue the next level, and wonder whether he even belonged among the best. But as the conversation unfolds, the bigger question becomes: What happens when your sport becomes your identity? Slade opens up about learning that talent and hard work can only take you so far, and how his faith began to reshape the way he approached competition, pressure, and success.And then comes the full-circle moment every young athlete dreams about: FC Dallas makes the call. Slade shares what it was like to finally sign with the club he had dreamed about since childhood, while also reflecting on the deeper lessons that got him there—playing for an “audience of one,” building accountability, pursuing excellence without being defined by the outcome, and finding something bigger than the scoreboard. He also shares how his experiences with his friend Ivan led them to start iDream, which helps young athletes pursue their goals while growing in confidence, identity, and leadership. At the heart of Slade’s story is a reminder that the biggest win may have very little to do with what happens on the scoreboard.

The Dream was MLS. The Journey was God // FC Dallas' Slade Starnes

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What does it actually take to develop great soccer players in the United States? In this episode of the Heaven or Heisman Podcast, Luke and Jean sit down with veteran coach Jay Dane, whose experience spans both professional academies and youth soccer. Together, they unpack the ongoing debate around America&#39;s youth soccer system, from pay-to-play and coaching quality to the cultural differences that shape player development around the world.Jay shares why individual development should always come before team success, explaining how creativity, unstructured play, and mastering the fundamentals build confident, skilled athletes. The conversation explores why pickup games and playful competition are often more valuable than highly structured training, how parents can encourage growth at home, and why the best coaches create safe environments where mistakes become opportunities to learn.Whether you&#39;re choosing a soccer club for your child or simply looking to foster a lifelong love of the game, this episode offers practical guidance for parents navigating youth sports. From evaluating coaches over club brands to encouraging more touches on the ball outside of practice, you&#39;ll walk away with a clearer picture of what truly helps young athletes develop both on and off the field..

Club Sports Playbook: Don't Choose a Soccer Club Until You Hear This // Jay Dane

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Making the jump from rec sports to club can feel overwhelming for parents. Jonathan &#34;Coach Al&#34; Alexander, founder of JAB Hoops, joins the show to discuss how to know when a child is truly ready for club sports and why the decision should be based on development, not just points scored or wins.We explore together what coaches look for during tryouts, the value of quality practices over game results, and the importance of choosing a program with the right coaching culture. We also shares practical advice on helping young athletes find the right level of competition while continuing to grow their skills and confidence.Drawing from nearly two decades of coaching and raising seven children, Coach Al offers wisdom on avoiding common parenting pitfalls, fostering a love for the game, and creating an environment where young athletes can thrive for the long haul. Whether you&#39;re considering club sports for the first time or evaluating your child&#39;s current program, this conversation provides a thoughtful roadmap for the journey.

Club Sports Playbook: Is My Child Ready for Club Sports? // Jonathan Alexander

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In this special episode of Heaven or Heisman, co-host and professional tennis coach Jean Anderson joins the show live from London as he prepares to coach at Wimbledon. Jean gives listeners a behind-the-scenes look at one of the sport&#39;s most iconic tournaments, sharing what makes Wimbledon so unique and what fans don&#39;t get to see on television—from practice schedules and player routines to the incredible organization that supports the world&#39;s best athletes.Jean also unpacks the habits and mindset that separate elite competitors from the rest. He discusses the importance of discipline, preparation, recovery, and mental focus while offering a firsthand look at the role of a coach during a Grand Slam. Whether you&#39;re a tennis fan, an athlete, or simply curious about what excellence requires, this conversation provides a fascinating glimpse into life at the highest level of sport.

Jean Checks In from Wimbledon: What Happens Behind the Scenes

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In this episode of Heaven or Heisman, we kick off a new series exploring the world of club sports and the challenges families face as they navigate increasingly competitive athletic environments. We begin by tackling one of the most common questions parents ask: how do you know what level of competition is right for your child? From recreational leagues to select teams and full-time club sports, we break down the differences in commitment, cost, coaching, competition, and family impact, helping parents better understand the landscape of youth athletics.Let&#39;s challenge the assumption that higher levels of competition automatically lead to better development. Instead, we encourage families to consider their child&#39;s skill level, desire, emotional maturity, and the overall health of the family when making decisions. As the first installment in the new club sports series, this episode offers practical guidance, thoughtful questions, and a balanced perspective to help parents choose a path that supports long-term growth, aligns with their values, and allows sports to remain a positive part of family life.

Club Sports Playbook: Rec, Select, Club - What Does It All Mean?

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In this episode, we welcome back Timothy Ateek for a conversation about what youth sports families can learn from the life of the Apostle Paul. Together, we unpack how identity, hardship, mentorship, and faith all intersect in the world of athletics and parenting. Timothy shares how Paul’s life modeled perseverance, humility, and purpose long before becoming the influential leader most people remember, reminding us that God often shapes people through seasons of obscurity, disappointment, and hardship before elevating them. We also discuss the temptation for parents to rescue kids too quickly, the pressure athletes feel to tie their worth to performance, and why building an identity rooted in Christ matters far more than wins, rankings, or playing time.Throughout the conversation, we continually come back to the idea that youth sports are more than games and trophies—they are mission fields. Whether it’s encouraging teammates, mentoring younger athletes, handling pressure with grace, or building relationships in the stands, every moment becomes an opportunity to reflect Jesus. This episode is both practical and encouraging for parents and athletes who want to compete with purpose, lead with humility, and remember what matters most long after the scoreboard is forgotten.

What Youth Sports Families Can Learn from the Apostle Paul // Timothy Ateek

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In part two of our conversation with Garry Linton, we continue unpacking the culture surrounding youth sports and the pressure many families feel to chase rankings, stats, elite teams, and early success. Garry challenges the scoreboard-driven mindset that dominates today’s sports world and encourages parents and coaches to focus instead on long-term development, fundamentals, and helping kids grow at their own pace. We discuss how fear, comparison, and social media often shape decisions more than people realize, and why patience and intentionality matter far more than quick results.Throughout the episode, we talk about what healthy development actually looks like, from allowing kids to fail and learn through experience to prioritizing skill-building over constant competition. Garry shares practical insight into avoiding “money traps” in youth sports, recognizing trustworthy mentors, and resisting the temptation to copy the paths of superstar athletes without understanding the bigger picture behind their journey. The conversation continually points back to one central idea: helping kids become confident, resilient people rather than simply high-performing athletes.

Lessons Learned from a Youth Coach and D1 Parent Part 2 // Garry Linton

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In this episode, part one of a two-part conversation, we sit down with Garry Linton, known to many as Take Flight Coach, for an honest and eye-opening discussion about youth sports, parenting, and what it really means to develop kids the right way. Garry shares how his journey began as a parent who stepped in to coach and quickly realized that much of the system was missing the mark. From early ego traps to the pressure-filled culture surrounding kids’ athletics, he brings clarity to the tension so many families feel but struggle to name.We talk about the illusions that drive youth sports today, especially the belief that more games, travel teams, and private training automatically lead to better development. Garry challenges that mindset by pointing us back to something many kids are missing: freedom. Freedom to play, to fail, to experiment, and to build confidence without constant correction. He introduces the idea of “self story” and how the narratives kids form about themselves are often shaped by the words and reactions of the adults around them.This conversation is both grounding and hopeful, and it sets the stage for part two where we continue unpacking what it looks like to reshape the youth sports experience. It invites parents and coaches to step back, rethink their approach, and prioritize long-term growth over short-term success. At its core, this episode is about helping kids rediscover joy in the game while building resilience, confidence, and a healthy identity that goes far beyond the scoreboard.

Lessons Learned from a Youth Coach and D1 Parent Part 1 // Garry Linton

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In a youth sports culture that often ties confidence to performance, how do we help kids build something deeper, something that lasts beyond the scoreboard? In this episode of Heaven or Heisman, we’re joined again by Brad, “The Coaching Dad,” to talk about the difference between confidence rooted in results and confidence rooted in identity. Together, we explore how athletes can grow in belief without needing to prove themselves every time they step on the field.Through real coaching stories and practical examples, this conversation highlights simple but powerful ways to build confidence on purpose, creating space for mistakes, celebrating effort over outcomes, and giving kids opportunities to lead and use their voice. It’s a reminder that the environments adults create, through their words, reactions, and expectations, play a huge role in shaping how kids see themselves.Ultimately, this episode is an invitation to zoom out. To focus less on early success and more on long-term development. To trade pressure for presence. And to help kids find a confidence that isn’t shaken by a missed shot or a tough game, but strengthened by knowing who they are and why they play.

How to Build Real Confidence in Your Athlete // Brad @ The Coaching Dad

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What does it look like to hold your identity steady when everything around you—your role, your platform, your success—keeps shifting?In this episode of Heaven or Heisman, we sit down with High Point University’s Chase Johnston, whose viral game-winning moment captured national attention—but whose story runs much deeper than one shot. From losing his starting position mid-season to becoming a bold voice for his faith on one of the biggest stages in college basketball, Chase shares how God reshaped not just his circumstances, but his identity.Together, we explore the tension many athletes feel between performance and purpose. Chase opens up about the quiet unraveling that came when basketball became everything—and the freedom he found when it no longer had to be. Through moments of disappointment, doubt, and unexpected opportunity, his story becomes a picture of what it means to trust God not just in success, but in surrender.We also dive into the role of discipline, family, and formation—what it looked like to put up 1,500 shots a day, the influence of a brother who spoke hard truth in love, and the parents who built a foundation behind the scenes. It’s a conversation about the unseen work that shapes both the athlete and the person.Ultimately, this episode is an invitation to reexamine what defines us. To pursue excellence without being consumed by it. And to recognize that the most meaningful victories often come in the moments we least expect—when faith, identity, and purpose align.

The Shot That Shocked Wisconsin and the Faith Behind It // High Point Guard Chase Johnston

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In a culture where youth sports often feel overwhelming, expensive, and hyper-competitive, how do we hold on to what actually matters? In this episode of Heaven or Heisman, we sit down with John O&#39;Sullivan to talk about the current state of youth sports—and why the experience a child has depends far more on the environment adults create than the sport itself.Together, we explore the quiet drift many parents feel: starting with good intentions, but slowly getting pulled toward comparison, pressure, and short-term results. John challenges us to start with the end in mind—who do we want our kids to become—and work backwards from there. From the dangers of early specialization to the rising cost and commitment of youth sports, this conversation offers a grounded, research-backed perspective on what truly helps kids thrive.Ultimately, this episode is a call to play the long game. To value development over status, relationships over results, and joy over burnout. Because when sports are done right, they don’t just build better athletes—they shape healthier, more resilient people for life.

Changing the Game: The Parents Guide to Raising Happy, High Performing Athletes // John O'Sullivan

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In youth sports, the pressure to specialize earlier and train harder is everywhere. But what if the best path for young athletes is actually slower, more patient, and more focused on the long game? In this episode of Heaven or Heisman, former Texas A&amp;M University runner and endurance coach Mike Hummel joins us to share a different perspective on developing athletes—and why protecting a child’s love for the sport matters more than early results.Mike reflects on his own journey as a competitive runner and coach, including the moment his ten-year-old son told him he wanted to go to the Olympics. Instead of rushing into intense training, Mike chose to wait, focusing on playful habits, family challenges, and building the underlying skills that sustain long-term growth. Through stories from coaching elite youth triathletes and lessons from athletes like Stephen Curry and Kobe Bryant, we explore how parents can shift their focus from outcomes to process.This conversation challenges parents to move from being the drivers of their child’s sports journey to becoming the architects of the environment—creating spaces where discipline, curiosity, and joy in the work can grow naturally over time.

How to Inspire Your Child to Be Great // Mike Hummel

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In the rush of practices, tournaments, and car meals, it is easy for something essential to slip away without us noticing. In this episode of Heaven or Heisman, we talk directly to parents, guardians, and anyone investing deeply in a child’s athletic journey about the one thing sports cannot afford to lose: the relationship. Through real stories, well-known examples from elite athletics, and honest self-reflection, we explore how good intentions can quietly turn into pressure, control, and emotional distance.Together, we wrestle with hard questions like what happens when we want something for our kids more than they want it, how presence is different from simply showing up, and why a child’s sport should never become a parent’s resume. This conversation offers practical, faith-centered reminders to slow down, protect connection, and build a foundation where kids know they are loved for who they are, not how they perform.

Amid Tournaments and Training: How to Keep the Relationship

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What does it actually look like to coach kids well and to parent youth sports without losing perspective? In this episode, we sit down with Brad from The Coaching Dad to talk honestly about the realities of volunteer coaching, sideline pressure, and the expectations parents and coaches quietly carry. From first-time dad-coaches stepping onto the field to navigating yelling, playing time, and perceived favoritism, Brad shares practical wisdom for keeping youth sports simple, fun, and development-focused.Together, we wrestle with the tension between winning and growth, why fundamentals and “chaotic” practices matter more than short-term results, and how parents can take ownership of their child’s development without putting unfair pressure on volunteer coaches. This conversation is a reminder that youth sports are a long game, and when we focus on character, confidence, and joy, we give kids something far more valuable than a trophy.

The Fate of the Volunteer Coach: How Parents Can Help or Hurt // Brad @ The Coaching Dad

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What does it really take to chase a baseball dream, and what does it cost along the way? In this episode, we sit down with former college baseball player Bryce Lenz to pull back the curtain on the long road from youth ball to college and beyond. Together, we talk about time, pressure, burnout, and the difference between loving the game and treating it like a job. Bryce shares his firsthand experience navigating multi-sport life, early specialization, club baseball culture, and the grind of post-college opportunities where talent, timing, and sacrifice collide. Along the way, we wrestle with questions parents and athletes rarely slow down to ask. When should kids specialize? How much is too much? What happens when sports become our identity? Through honest stories, humor, and faith-centered wisdom, this conversation invites families to think differently about development, joy, and purpose, reminding us that baseball is something we do, not who we are.

When the Dream Ends: College Baseball, Identity, and What Comes After // Bryce Lenz

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Is youth baseball actually toxic, or are we navigating it without a clear map? In this season two opener, Luke Baker and Jean Anderson tackle one of the most emotionally charged questions parents face. When does competitive baseball help our kids thrive, and when does it quietly cost us more than we realize? Drawing from years of coaching, parenting, and faith centered reflection, we explore the realities of rec ball, select teams, and travel baseball while looking honestly at money, time, pressure, and the subtle ways adult expectations shape a child’s experience. Along the way, we talk about “crazy parent” moments we have all felt, the difference between development and winning, how to spot healthy versus toxic club cultures, and why counting all the costs, financial, relational, and spiritual, truly matters. With humor, humility, and hope, this conversation invites parents to slow down, ask better questions, and choose youth sports paths that protect joy, character, and family values long before the scoreboard ever does. <a href="https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/152f2d72-8f6b-4c2d-b924-ea3144254674/downloads/f2808496-e044-4a04-b361-35896e74d3b0/Toxic%20vs%20Thriving.PNG?ver=1767938772400" rel="nofollow">Select Baseball Toxic vs Thriving</a><a href="https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/152f2d72-8f6b-4c2d-b924-ea3144254674/downloads/0411ff3e-bc32-4a6c-9791-3c9df8f873c8/Select%20Baseball%20Season%20Cost%20Checklist.pdf?ver=1767938772400" rel="nofollow">Select Baseball Cost Checklist</a>

Counting the Real Cost of Youth Baseball

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What’s the right way to support a young athlete without pushing too hard? In this episode, we dive into strength and conditioning for kids, preventing overuse injuries during rapid growth phases, and the timing of sport specialization. Dr. John Arvesen shares practical tips for recognizing warning signs like persistent pain, swelling, or fatigue, balancing recovery with competition, and fostering long-term health through sleep, nutrition, and rest. We also explore the difference between structured, year-round training and play-based, intrinsic specialization that keeps kids engaged without risk of burnout. Whether your child is just starting out or committed to a primary sport, this conversation gives parents tools to guide their athletes wisely and intentionally.

Balancing Training, Growth, and Play

Welcome to Heaven or Heisman , the podcast where we blend faith, family, and sports to help you raise confident, resilient kids. In each episode, we dive into the challenges parents face when guiding their children through the world of athletics and beyond, all while grounding our advice in Biblical principles. From helping your child practice more to building their confidence, and teaching them how to embrace failure, we offer practical tips and relatable stories to make the journey a little easier (and a lot more fun).

Whether you’re wondering how to encourage your child’s love for the game, help them develop a strong work ethic, or teach them to handle pressure with grace, Heaven or Heisman has you covered. Join us as we tackle key parenting moments in sports—balancing discipline with fun, praising effort over performance, and fostering character that lasts. Let’s navigate the world of youth sports together, one practice, one game, and one lesson at a time. Tune in for inspiring insights, faith-based wisdom, and a whole lot of heart!